No despite the fact the lefties here often try to trot out that fallacy, there is data that shows it is a fallacy and I am too lazy to look it up.

Too lazy or unsure of your ground?

The findings of this study add to the body of research showing an association between guns in the home and risk of a violent death. Those persons with guns in the home were at significantly greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a suicide in the home relative to other causes of death.

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full

Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership rates, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and suicide across 50 states over a ten year period (1988-1997). After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, across the United States, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of suicide, particularly firearm suicide.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-ownership-and-use/

CONCLUSION:
The number of guns per capita per country was a strong and independent predictor of firearm-related death in a given country, whereas the predictive power of the mental illness burden was of borderline significance in a multivariable model. Regardless of exact cause and effect, however, the current study debunks the widely quoted hypothesis that guns make a nation safer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24054955

Results Over the 4-year study period, there were 121 084 firearm fatalities. The average state-based firearm fatality rates varied from a high of 17.9 (Louisiana) to a low of 2.9 (Hawaii) per 100 000 individuals per year. Annual firearm legislative strength scores ranged from 0 (Utah) to 24 (Massachusetts) of 28 possible points. States in the highest quartile of legislative strength (scores of ≥9) had a lower overall firearm fatality rate than those in the lowest quartile (scores of ≤2) (absolute rate difference, 6.64 deaths/100 000/y; age-adjusted incident rate ratio [IRR], 0.58; 95% CI, 0.37-0.92). Compared with the quartile of states with the fewest laws, the quartile with the most laws had a lower firearm suicide rate (absolute rate difference, 6.25 deaths/100 000/y; IRR, 0.63; 95% CI, 0.48-0.83) and a lower firearm homicide rate (absolute rate difference, 0.40 deaths/100 000/y; IRR, 0.60; 95% CI, 0.38-0.95).

Conclusions and Relevance A higher number of firearm laws in a state are associated with a lower rate of firearm fatalities in the state, overall and for suicides and homicides individually.

http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleID=1661390

Trekbuster

You have hidden depths – I’m impressed. You haven’t been wallowing thru’ Wiki ?
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I’m glad to be able to surprise you. As it happens, the period in history roughly from the time the Romans left britain to the end of the hundred years war (yes I know, quite along time) is one of my other interests and I have done a fair bit of reading on the subject over the years.
so to answer your slightly backhanded compliment, no I didn’t have to wade through Wiki.

Glad to see religious tolerance is alive and well in the U.K. 🙂

Whereas in the US…..

To be fair to SNAFU, Edmund was religious, and he allegedly encouraged the Danes to shoot arrows into him in the mistaken belief that, like his hero st. Sebastian, he would not be killed. St. sebastian was clubbed to death immediately after he wasn’t killed by arrows, so Edmund perhaps wasn’t wise to use him as a role model.

So to sum up, he was apparently pious and perhaps not the full shilling under the circumstances

However as he is first only briefly mentioned some time after his death in the Anglo Saxon Chronicle*, most information about him was, to be frank, made up by later medieval chroniclers. This led to the cult of St. Edmund that was very strong in the early medieval period

*The Anglo Saxon chronicle is often argued as a great example of history written by the victors with a particular (religious) axe to grind although this has been disputed. Having said that it is a remarkable survivor and undoubtedly has a very strong strand of truth running within it and is the best history we have of the period

I think you know exactly what context I meant. !

No, And I still don’t. You still haven’t been specific about whom you include in the group “we”
If by we you are including members of this forum , you may well making assumptions that may not be true of everyone.
For example, if you are assuming “we” are WASP’s, on one count include me out.

yet if we hold a meeting we’re classed as racist.

Who is the “we” in this context?

I for one attend regular meetings regarding cycling issues. Should I be classed racist because I attend a meeting?

I would suggest it depends on the reason for the meeting

£100,877 per flight as an average.

Someone on another forum worked this out.

Glad it’s over and all safe. Not a fan of the hype and the begging, but it was an achievement to get there and stay there for so long.

You are right, I was not a fan of her, although not as one sided either way as some on here. I don’t believe her legacy was as positive many here appear to believe, there were many things she instigated that were mistakes. As many in her own party seemed to show in November 1990. Don’t forget how unpopular she was in the country 1982 before the Falklands conflict.

Declan MacManus is the real name of Elvis Costello. I suggest you listen to ‘Shipbuilding’ or ‘tramp the dirt down’