Re#740
Ryan, why do always put the phrase ‘as I have proven’ with all of your often dodgy statsistics. You never prove anything, just put your spin on selective information.
Re#739
If John thinks it is a good thing, you can guarantee it isn’t in the majority of the populations’ interest.
Pob has an appalling record in Government of not listening to valid opinion and going off on what almost always proves to be an eventually ineffectual tangent.
If He is let anywhere near the brexit negotiations, the 27 will just laugh at him
My guess as to why she has him in the cabinet is that it is better to have your enemies in plain sight so they can’t stab you in the back. It is, as always, to ensure her personal position and sod the rest of us
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Desperation? Not on my part. The poll numbers are what they are, I didn’t make them up, the issues with Trident are well known and made apparently little difference to a significant percentage of the population.
You clearly believe your own rhetoric, the problem for you is that many others do not. The only desperation fumes are the ones you are inhaling trying to deny what has happened.
It has been argued that opposition wasn’t very effective in parliament before the election, the game has changed. I look forward to the first PMQ’s of the new parliament. I wonder who JC will face on the Government side.
Single handed? Really?
I assume your are Living through your own deluded fantasy bromance with Farage Gump John to think so.
Saying something time after time does not make it true.
The ‘braindeads’ who infest this forum would rather hang themselves than agree with that!
If you watch how those lifting the plane suddenly run away and a guy picks up a fire extinguisher, I would guess the foam was for leaking fuel
I should have said some of his aides have suggested that he had won by losing, my bad
Some on the centre and right of the Labour party have suggested that with such an open goal of TM and her dreadful campaign anyone but JC would have done much better. Easy to say, and shows that there are internal tensions within the party almost equal to those amongst the tories. This is already becoming public with John McDonnell saying that they must keep the current labour shadow front bench after some others who resigned have come back into the fold
Stop press: b*gger me Pob is back in the cabinet. As environment secretary of all things
Both Ryan and John don’t seem to be able to see beyond their own experience and prejudices here (or elsewhere to be honest)
All the analysis available has shown that the real change was in the increase in the youth vote, which in the 18-24 range voted overwhelmingly for Labour. The dementia tax may have had resonance, but it was not the only reason they lost their majority.
The latest polls taken since Thursday suggest that if an election was held tomorrow, labour would form a majority. JC’s approval ratings, despite all that was thrown at him in the right wing press, have rocketed. Not everyone takes your position on defence, nor even of your analysis of Jc’s ‘failure’ on the trident question. Whether you like it or not, even with that trumpeted to the sky, people still voted in large numbers for him.
His subsequent suggestion that labour won the election is clearly facile.
What nationwide popularity do you imagine he has John? At the highest point UKIP, with him as leader, gained 12% of the vote. Now admittedly some people who voted Tory and a number of labour supporters as well might like him, but really not enough to suggest he is now as popular as you would wish him to be.
Of all of my friends, at least 1/2 of whom voted tory as far as I could guess, only one has a good word to say about him. This person has very similar views to you as exposed on here so perhaps he could come and join you in a fanclub of two?
As I have said before, you cannot extrapolate what you see in the type of papers you read to the population as a whole. Last Thursday night should have convinced you of that.
How will him entering the debate make one iota of difference? Please explain. To “ensure” anything you need political clout.
Simply writing in the torygraph adding to JG’s infamous column inches does not constitute power.
The tories won’t touch him, Labour certainly won’t touch him, both will do their level best to marginalise him as an irritant. Whether you like it or not, the Leave Campaign is old news.
The only people to take him seriously are those who already sympathise with him, and as Dacre and Murdoch have found over the past week, their influence doesn’t extend as far as they thought.
For a significant percentage of the population he is a turn off.
My one encounter with Ian Paisley sr. In the flesh (and there was a substantial amount of flesh -he was a big man) Was in the lobby of the European Parliament in Strasbourg when he brushed past me to talk to Jean-Marie LePen. Two zealots together.
I think he had just been having one of his famous rants.
Wrong again John,
It would’t bother me in the slightest, if he had an epiphany he would have realised the error of his ways
Ah, but that is the whole point, the tories and their apologists on here have spent time decrying JC with their accusations of terrorism links, but as soon as they are in trouble they are happy to fall into bed with people with similarly ‘sinister’ links. They just happen to be linked to pro-union protestant terrorists. Just for clarity, the DUP say they no longer support violence, in itself that suggests they used to.
Hypocrisy?
Oh, and yet again you are making assumptions John. I have never suggested I am a Corbyn supporter. If you had time to search back through my posts You could confirm that. But I guess you won’t bother.
Ryan, I think you are wrong to focus simply on the older voters, assuming that it was simply those policies that blew it for them is far too simplistic.
if nothing else has come out of this it is that the younger electorate has been energised
No, the downside is that the tories are cosying up to what has been described by some as an extreme fundamentalist christian organisation with historic and allegedly current links and support from paramilitary and prescribed terrorist organisations (UVF, UDA and Red Hand Commando) who have in the past been involved with financial scandals, not least the current leader who is currently embroiled in a scandal to do with the Renewable heat Incentive.
So a really nice bunch of people to deal with.
The DUP and SF successes have polarised NI politics with the more moderate SDLP and UUP being pushed out. This should be of real concern
Oh yes please!!!
He would do irreparable damage to them if he does
Two birds, one stone
Jumping the gun a bit, he hasn’t said for sure he’ll do It, unless you have some inside info?
It’s a very long way back, and I think it’s too late. Time to let the kippers fade disgracefully away
With few donors and 370 lost deposits to pay, he can’t draw much to help his personal money troubles so he may chose to walk away.
Of more import is how the apparent new working relationship between the tories and DUP will affect the Good Friday Agreement. The government of the day has acted as a mediator between DUP and SF, this alters the balance which is not good news for the peace process, whatever one thinks of the merits of each sides’ historical or current position