Re. range, I bet the F-35C outranges the A model easily. But the reported numbers are for specific mission profiles, and the USN one requires much more reserves for bolters and diversion. My guess.
I’d say the F-35A still takes the title of longest ranged variant although it is probably very close. The A mission profile is a lot more aggressive than the C but the C is approx. 20% heavier and retains more reserve fuel for carrier ops. In a straight range comparison those two factors probably balance each other out.
Thanks guys.
This modification provides for the procurement of 50 aircraft for non-Department of Defense participants and foreign military sales (FMS) customers comprised of one F-35B aircraft for the UK; one F-35A aircraft for Italy; eight F-35A aircraft for Australia; eight F-35A aircraft for the Netherlands; four F-35A aircraft for Turkey; six F-35A aircraft for Norway; and 22 F-35A aircraft for FMS customers.
Is there a break down anywhere on the split of airframes per FMS customer for Lot 11?
There’ll be some for sale, upgraded with the latest bits.
I’d expect Thailand to swoop on Gripen Cs entering the second hand market. Would be a great airframe to replace F-5s and then F-16s and harmonise their fleet with the existing Gripens they currently have.
What i meant by NEZ Volume is pretty straight forward. Its the Volume of Space in any direction from the jet that the missile could teoretical cover or reach when launched.
That is not what NEZ means and Scorpion82 had a clear and correct definition. NEZ is No Escape Zone which is the zone at which a missile kinematically cannot be defeated by the target aircraft, ie the target aircraft cannot flow cold and defeat the missile by denying an intercept. An intercept will occur so the target aircraft will have to defeat the missile through evasion/ECM/DIRCM etc.
And b.t.w. where does it explicit state that No Escape Zone is measured in distance from point A to B rather than in Volume?
The western fighter community doesn’t talk about NEZ volume, just NEZ. The volume side of it is implicit in the description.
Funny, i was there and I asked the FCPH, and Mashba’s answer was 180.000 to 200.000 rand… Not exactly joseph values… One of us misheard. (could be me).
That sounds about right to me if you remove the decimal points. Given the SAAF maintain a small fleet and rotate airframes through short term storage a 13k-15k USD FCPH should be expected.
A few shots of the Fort Worth plant posted recently on LMAs Flickr Page
Very impressive, thanks for posting.
You forget the most important part of the equation, the actual ability of the Gripen in Finnish service to detect, fight and defeat 5th gen threats such as the PAK-FA. There is little point being cheap if the jet cannot meet the operational requirements of 2030 let alone 2040…
As for your other points,
– There is plenty of industrial work for non F-35 partners, as seen in South Korea and Japan. Also the industrial work opportunities offered by the F-35 dwarfs the Gripen, even for a non partner nation like Finland.
– There will likely be a global fleet of over 3000 F-35 aircraft maintained and operated till 2070. Gripen E will be lucky to get to 250 aircraft, operated by fringe air forces who will invest little in upgrades.
– Finland would be able to apply any F-35 Blk upgrade and almost certainly not have to pay for any upgrade development.
– As for the cost to acquire the jet, Finland would be able to use FMS channels which will provide the jet as the same cost as the USAF with approx. 4-6% on top in fees and administration.
– Dispersal and operation for the F-35 will be no different than the Gripen.
The US F-35 sortie rate KPP is clearly defined and has been posted on the forum about 400 times in the last 5 years. [ATTACH=CONFIG]254195[/ATTACH]
F-35 A/C the KPP is 3 surge/2 sustained
F-35B the KPP is 4 surge/3 sustained
The difference is a recognition of the operational requirements of the respective variants, not a specific limitation of the jet. The Bee is likely to operate closer to base on shorter CAS runs while the A/C will operate from longer ranges and hence have less time to generate more sorties within the one day. GW 1 & 2 demonstrated F-16s and other 4th gen aircraft flying 10-12 hour sorties with continued AAR and given F-35 internal fuel loads that wil be no problem. Alternatively, I’ve seen the same Hornets hot turned and flown 6+ WVR sorties in one day when the mission duration is short.
Hence there will be no appreciable difference between sortie rate for the Gripen and F-35.
IF you want numbers with the exact kg, they nusually vary between two airframes you know?
That OEW would also vary based on the config of the jet. I expect if a customer puts all the options in the jet SAAB has been advertising the OEW will rise at least another 300-500 kgs.
The concept of making a valid assessment on performance of any airframe from a youtube clip is deluded…
BIO, you win the award for the most patient poster here and I do not see why you are responding to what is clearly trolling. If the respective posters cannot understand the logical and evidence supported statements you have made then they never will.
Makes sense to maximise B-21 production, the next 30-60 aircraft will come off the line at a great price, especially if the production rate is kept high.
The difference (2x 135 nm) is very large and cannot be explained by lower weight of the A-A missiles compared to bombs alone.. drag of the weapons obviously plays no role here..
No one is claiming the difference is down to weight. The USAF strike profile is agressive and at lower altitudes. The A2A profile is at optimal cruise altitudes both out and back. Based on the F-5 chart that has been referenced the last couple of pages this should hardly be surprising.
Just read that regarding the interior of the F-22 intakes.
A disadvantage of stealth planes I think is that as soon as they are even slightly damaged ( say hit by a gun round or by a missile that exploded far ), they are probably impossible to repair to fly more sorties relatively quickly, say within a few days or weeks, which could be possible otherwise with a non stealth plane.
You know the answers to these very simple questions are available. You just need to do a simple bit of internet research to get the info…