This is exactly the type of argument no one gives sh!t about. If I am an AF marshall and need to perform a strike on a target which is 700 nm away, I don’t give damn about internal fuel, external fuel and other BS.. I only care about which aircraft I can use and which one I can not..
Sorry no. When the AOC plans the strike mission they care immensely about internal fuel versus external, about the loadout so they can weaponeer to destroy the target. All those factors impact associated tanker assets, EW assets, flight levels and airspace de-confliction etc.
But the changes are the same from what I recall which would mean that a similar investment would fund it for them.
I wasn’t clear enough, yes that is correct.
The cost argument would likely favor just buying additional latest block Super Hornets, along with program investment in CFTs and upgrading the engines, given that it is a readiness and economic argument in the short term. Boeing tried to compete with what they claim was a stealthy Super Hornet. They found no takers in either the USN or the export market.
The other thing to note is that USN interest in upgrades to the F414 have almost exclusively centered on longer time between overhaul and not a thrust increase. The GE suggested modifications are either more time on the airframe or increased thrust, not both at the same time.
Thunderbirds receive first F-35s
HILL AIR FORCE BASE, Utah (AFPN) — Hill Air Force Base officials rolled out the first of 11 configured F-35 Lightnings for the Air Force Thunderbirds aerial demonstration team.
During a ceremonial hand over April 1st, attended by incoming 2017-2018 Thunderbirds commander and lead pilot Lt. Col. Greg Thomas, and a full house of media, military and civilian spectators, Ogden Air Logistics Center officials presented the first converted jet to the aerial demonstration team.
Additionally, the 309th Maintenance Wing along with the 508th Aerospace Sustainment Wing, both under the Ogden ALC, are partnering to remove the weapons system from each aircraft and replace it with a smoke-generating system. Each aircraft gets a new red, white and blue paint job too.
“If these aircraft were needed in a combat situation, they can be reverted back to combat-ready in three days,” said 1st Lt. Elbert Mose, a program manager in the 508th Aircraft Sustainment Group. “We have never had a situation where that has happened, but in 72 hours we could put the gun system back into a plane and (it would) be completely ready.”
Colonel Thomas said the delivery of the first air show-ready Thunderbird at Hill is significant to more than just would-be air show spectators.
I saw what you did there…
I understand that the Gripen is already hardened for EMP.
More than just EMP hardening. Irrespective of that, it appears that Sweden has already made that decision.
Sweden had already said it wouldn’t allow the Gripen to carry nuclear weapons
The App based architecture would allow Belgian Air Force to have B61 integration,
without making it available to anyone else, so why not?
Other than resistance to integrating a nuclear weapon on an airframe manufactured by a non NATO member?
Required would be physical and electronic fail safe changes to certify the Gripen airframe for nuclear carriage. Would the Swedes even allow the airframe to be modified this way?
I would also suggest that the cost of these upgrades and certification program for such a small fleet would become expensive. It would likely be cheaper to order and operate an aircraft already certified for nuclear delivery (if this remains an enduring requirement…).
I would be surprised if Gripen owners would not get enough information to qualify weapons on their own.
The new App based S/W architecture should allow this.
I’m not confident the US would allow B61 integration on the Gripen.
This is just ridiculous. Belgium has an air force because it happens to be a country. It has a more serious chance of going to war with a rogue regime in Germany than it does to fight Russia.
Well Belgium is a member of NATO but that is besides the point. The Belgiums themselves determined the threat scenarios, you are welcome to believe or disbelieve them as you will but military professionals within their Defence Department crafted them.
As for my reference to the threat types and Russian aviation, it was to demonstrate that the airframes in question will be used by the primary operator for a significant period and within the timeframe I was suggesting. You would assume that the Russians are interested in exporting the Su-34/35 so it is certainly a justifiable threat.
Mmmm, those scenarios (and I agree that they are realistic) look more like 2018 than 2035, from all the “red forces” hardware described in the doc, the only one wich is not (maybe) operational today is the J16, the rest its all in active duty.
One thing that caught my eye was that the first one might has well be called “Putin goes rogue in the Baltics next year”.
Look at the orbats of today, littered with 90s and early 2000 acquisitions. The threat for the DCA scenario were Su-34/35 with suppprt from Su-30, all in production today, expected to serve for the next 30 years and likely to remain the backbone of Russian aviation during that period.
Agree no PAK-FA and no J-20 but I think in a NATO scenario Belgium could rightly expect to those systems would be tackled by other partners.
I also think the SAMs were representative of what we will see in 15-20 years. A few high end systems with a mix of currently in service systems that likely have a few upgrades.
Have a look at those scenarios in Annex C….
executing those missions with no AWACs, no jammer support, only a 4-ship….
Impressive, good to see that they are actually taking this seriously! What we see are some very realistic scenarios for 2030-35 which is exactly what should be considered.
When was the F-16/F15 designed/developed, when did it’s production seize and when will the last one be retired from operational US service?
Not to forget B-52, KC-135 and even the B-2 which will likely push 70+ years of service.
Comparing a WW2 airframe to technological development today is a deeply flawed argument for so many obvious reasons…
Ah, suddenly you are all in for an open and fair competition.. but when the F-35 was selected as a sole source, you did not say a beep. freakin hypocrites..
Ha not quite, a new government which campaigned on the promise of holding an open and fair competition (while claiming to exclude the F-35 in said competition) and then essentially backing away from that is hypocritical. Even more so when they continue to pay their dues to the F-35 industrial program.
No one has issues with the Canadians holding a new competition, a new government is allowed to question the decisions of the previous. What is the most amusing is the political decision to acquire an interim capability which goes against the advice from the Canadian Department of Defence (before the Government silenced it) and against the former service chiefs as already quoted. So instead of heeding the advice of authoritative and informed experts the Liberal Government is simply playing politics with the defence of Canada…
I disagree that there are surplus legacy hornets available. There aren’t, if there were the Marines would be actively trying to source them for parts.
The intent would be to source probably RAAF aircraft as they are retired. There are enough RAAF Hornets with time remaining, even in 2020 when they would start to become available, that it is a viable proposition. It would introduce a subfleet but better than an entirely new fleet in the form of the SH.
Indeed.. that must have cost at least $10-15 mil.. :dev2:
You should note that the respective former service chiefs are advocating for an open and fair competition and not for the continuation of the F-35 sole source acquisition.
I didn’t write it. I lifted it from an early report on the Pak Fa. The point was not to get some technical fact right or wrong, but to give an insight into Russian design philosophy. (is the engine wrong or something ? My God !) Here’s the guy who wrote it.
Air Power Australia Editor-in-Chief
Head of Capability and Strategy Research
Carlo Kopp, BE(Hons), MSc, PhD, FLSS, AFAIAA, SMIEEE, PEngDr Kopp has consulted to private industry and government organisations, in areas ranging from computer and network performance, to strategy and operational analysis of military systems.
He has been most visible publicly as a defence analyst, since 1980. He has written for Amberley based Defence Today, Canberra based Australian Aviation, Sydney based Asia Pacific Defence Reporter and Defence Review Asia, The Age and Australian Financial Review, the US based Journal of Electronic Defence, the Japan based Diplomat, and the UK based Jane’s Missiles and Rockets, and Air International. He has also provided numerous television and radio interviews in recent years.
His current research interests in the military sciences domain encompass air warfare strategy and doctrine, proliferation of Russian weapons technology, aircraft combat survivability, network centric and information warfare.
Now that is funny! Kopp is about as quality a source as Kermit the frog…