Wut..??
Where have I mentioned PakFa?
Alas, the side stepping danse continue..
You said the aircraft capabilities at the moment is only take off and landing, but that clearly not the case
Don’t make it sound like the F-35B could fly from any CV and missions like a SH can.. if it is not too much to ask off..
And to the best of my knowledge Danmark has opted for F-35A
You making it sound like F-35 is still early in development state like PAk-FA, that not the case at all
The F-35B. And the term IOC really has no merrit.. What is its current capability? Take-off and landing?
Current capability? : take off, landing, crusing long distance, mid air refueling, reduced RCS airframe , detect, search, track targets using radar , IRST, RWR , drop bombs, launching missiles , firing gun, dogfight … etc
I love these charts made by people who haven’t even touched real thing.
Not long ago you praised the analysis made by Picard and Carlo Kopp, neither of them ever touched or fly the real thing (F-35, EF-2000, Rafale.. etc) , but you didn’t complaint as long as they put down the F-35. So to be honest, i think you just instantly call a report inaccurate as soon as it have any positive things to say about the F-35
. And I also love the high scores in the mission effectiveness of the F-35, while the real aircraft can barely take off and land and there is practically no mission it can safely perform..
This is a really big exaggeration, F-35 already reached IOC, and obviously they talk about the capability of the aircraft when they got it
Ground based jammers outrange and outpower any aviation based jammers
Jamming effectiveness depending on signal to noise ratio so weaker jammer can be compensated by smaller radar cross section , iam quite certain that the radar mass of double digit SAM have very big RCS .
https://basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com/2016/03/29/electronic-countermeasure-ecm/
Same than above. WHY THE HELL would Ruaf use Su-34 in a specific air to air role?
It have a plentyful (maybe even too many types) of specialized air superiority fighters and interceptors for this.
The ways you represent your original scenario can be quite confusing for most people
GaN AESA & spanky new processing power all but nullify the moderate level of observable F-22 & 35 is built to,
GaN transmitter and better processing power will impove jamming capabilities too, and one of the main advantage of stealth platform is that they can reduce burn through range to extremely small value compared to non stealth platform so that would nullify the advance in radar technology
i cant believe someone still take Picard serious
So what you are saying is that the F35 has no IR signature and is invisible. Link?
IR reduction measures don’t equate to IR stealth.
I have seen no information on the F35 regarding it’s IR signature in comarison to any other plane, so tough for me to make bold statements. While there is no doubt that manufacturers are considering IR reduction (where the exhaust is) you cannot do much about the fact that it’s a draggy plane moving through the air at a high speed which generates heat, it has a big engine etc.
Yes F-35 has IR signature just like any black body that has temperature higher than absolute zero , however if that aircraft body temperature is around the same as background temperature then it is extremely hard to detect it ( not even accounted for various factor such as weather, cloud ) , read the link GarryA posted , the bottom talk very detail about infrared reduction measuare (it not just the engine but various part on the F-35 too ) and how background temperature and speed affect IR detection range.
and an engine with higher thrust doesnot automatic mean they have higher IR signature
https://basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com/2016/03/04/stealth-techniques-and-benefits/
And dont forget that IRST sensor can be jammed by LRF too
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bBb2LpX5CnQC&pg=PA296&lpg=PA296&dq=DIRCM+laser+MJ&source=bl&ots=CDjaDoP-Rr&sig=Hgfm5Qm7D2uir1rA8FmNMucXH50&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnob3kgd7JAhUGyRQKHWnECuQQ6AEILDAC#v=onepage&q&f=false
The F35 is potentially an example of that. Tons of effort placed on stealth but no consideration given to how detection capabilities (IR) can evolve to negate that very expensive R&D project.
Others have already debunk that myth, why you repeat it?
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?138133-Canadian-Fighter-Replacement&p=2300370#post2300370
how do you know Brahmos-2 size. cruise missiles are far more compact, mobile than billistic missiles.
dont put your own theories. Brahmos is largest quantity high speed missile in continous production in tri service. tremendous confidence in its abilities. that is in country that can barely put a single test of Israeli joint project Barak airdefence missile after 10 years.
In every aspect. even the export of domestic version is more advanced than the export of customized version.
so basically you have nothing to support your opinion, Jesus, shouldn’t have wasted time arguing with you
that is export programme time line for India.Brahmos is land attack missile of Indian army.
cruise missile are more compact and easy to hide and more multi target capability.
Brahmos II is a join program between Russia and India
and it not exactly a compact missiles even though it is smaller than Scud
which billistic missile has S curves and steep dive manevorability?.
all ballistic missiles dive very steep and there is no way Brahmos will make a S curve maneuver at mach 7 ( and it wont go mach 7 at sea level either ) , what most likely to happen is that after launch Brahmos will climb up and follow a ballistic arcs
domestic is more advanced Zircon missile.
http://tass.ru/en/defense/857921
more advanced in what aspect ?
I said that it is a possibility. If the jet is carrying IRIS-T then they have that option. It just not demonstrated in a war yet 🙂 Similarly the DIRCM on the F35 is also unproven.
both DIRCM and anti missiles missiles have been used for age :p , but honestly i dont think any pilot calm enough to shot down enemy missiles with his missiles
5. With current BVR missiles first BVR shoot from 20 miles at best, didn’t give F-35 any advantageous in head on engagement, as they can detect stealth fighter thx sensor fusion of IRST, RWR, radar, link-16 from that range.
With ramjet missiles F-35 and other stealth fighter should have advantageous in first shoot.
Of course AR seeker has much reduced range against VLO, and stealth fighters can get closer to the SAM site. This is an advantageous anyway.
I’ll leave this debate at this point, this is just my opinion, accept it or not as you wish 🙂
:p if this what you think then isn’t it obvious that f-35 in future be better than rafale , ef-2000 , gripen , su-35s ..etc :p what are we bashing it for :confused:
1 Not the current version of Meteor, there may be modified Meteor for the F35 but it’s not in the workings today.
but there is like 100 percent certain that it will be done :p , btw f-35 dont have problem carrying meteor at AG station , it only have problem carrying these missile at the AA station , so in theory , f-35 can carry 2 normal meteor and 2 clipped fin meteor , btw at the moment the f-35 not even done all testing yet
2 The acceleration “speed” is a limiting factor. In my old thread with PPI-films you can see the exhaust gases (the aircraft isnt necessarily visible but the tail of ionized gas is pretty easy to pick up from ground radars), the use of afterburner also makes it really hot, and the gases makes is a larger target to detect. So by accelerating (takes 68 seconds from mach 0,8-1,2) the F35 loses the advantage of stealth, at least momentarily.
to my understanding the high rcs exhaust gases only problem for the SR-71 as it have extremely long pume ,incredible high speed and due to it fuel as well no way you can compared that to f-35 or any other fighter which we both know travel at much slower speed
3 There are more than one sensor. IRST cant be jammed at the ranges discussed. With the IRST-systems fielded today a target like the F35 can be engaged at 50km by using IRST alone when flying at altitude.
Irst range is trade off by Fov , if you want short range , you can have great Fov ( 50-60 degree ) , you want long range => lens have to zoom , focus ..etc => the fov will be ****ty ( 1-2 degree ) the track speed of IRST also much slower than radar if i remember correctly , and no you willnot be able to engaged at 50 km by IRST alone , you need range for fire solution => laser finder range => 20 km ( OLS-35 ) , or 30km ( OFS )
and like i have mentioned before intercept using IRST will be much less effective compared to using radar caused you lack of information like speed , aspect angle
All modern jets can operate without AWACS if they want to thanks to modern data links. And once the target detects illumination and threat direction they can drop the EFTs and optimize the interception. Remember that the target always will detect the illuminator first if we assume a reasonably small technology gap between the sensors.
that depend , we are talking about AESA here , and even if the RWR can detect the emission , knowing only the general direction will not help much ( not sure if enemy is 50-200 or 400 km aways
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=6yqfKaLp4noC&pg=PA133&lpg=PA133&dq=aesa+lpi&source=bl&ots=6mMRWVQoJf&sig=lk1KZT5xzjQQ5ebhoOQfpqtgj-8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=shOiUYTGDuek0AWGmoCgBA&ved=0CGEQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=aesa%20lpi&f=false
Of course, there are some targets that do not emit signals. “We prefer it that way, because he’s dumb,” remarked one Boeing engineer. In this case, the F-22 can use its LPI features to track the target — which is not a threat unless another radar is tracking the F-22 and datalinking information to the “quiet” aircraft — and can, if necessary, identify it.
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-9268-start-0.html