see this pix. Su-35 can carry 4 R-77SD there. The missile that outranges Mica by 30km. and this without considering platform difference.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CVCyIlGECOY/UTnrAp5qcgI/AAAAAAAAY0s/MUPOrxGBr…]

only 2 r-77 in the picture :confused: and why rafale carry mica instead of meteor

You ‘re right DJ but we should not put “detection” and “jamming” in the same basket , only the former is the RWR ‘s job .

It is true that AESA and to a lesser extent PESA radars are more robust vs sidelobes jamming than older mechanical radars .

Everybody ‘s having the same problem : the enemy ‘s data fusion , AWACs and 3rd part targeting .
-First example : your RWR tells you that a big , powerful and rotating radar (AWAC) is at your 11 O ‘clock , 300km away . Even if you have a powerful EW suite , you may not have the needed output power to jam such pulse trains signals that far away . How are you going to hide if you ‘re not a true 5th aircraft ?

in theory deceptive will help if that a normal awacs radar , not lpi

-Second example : your RWR tells you that for a micro second , an AESA radar (at your 11 O ‘clock , 110km away) painted you , then , nothing more from your RWR . 2 seconds later , your MAWS tells you that 2 missile flashes are detected at your 2 O ‘clock (!?) , 100km away . Then , it ‘s the other way around , radar painting at 2 O ‘clock and missile flashes at 11 O ‘clock .
You ‘ll better be able to handle those threats and your EW suite capable of very precise multithreat jamming .

multi threat jamming is extremerly hard especially when using deceptive jamming 😀 noise jamming do the job better but affected by hoj

but then there is missile weight.
Basic R-77 or RVV-AE weigh 175 kg, and it has 80 km range.
Ramjet version R-77M1 or RVV-AE-PD weigh 225 kg with 160 km range.

If we assume 50 kg is for warhead, seeker, electronics, body, wings, actuators, that would leave 125 and 175 kg for propolsion. If you look at engine weight efficiency in km/kg, you will easily see how Ramjet is more efficient (~42% more in this case).

However if we make same assumption (50 kg for anything minus engine) for Meteor, it would only leave 135 kg for propolsion. If it has exact same propolsion and aerodynamic layout of -PD version, it would have approximately to 135/175 = 60% range. Obviously on smaller missile, drag would be lower, but so does mass flow to the engines, in short without improving design thats about it.

:p well western tend to make missile with smaller radar , warhead than russia (EX : agm-84 vs p-700 ) and as the meteor is smaller than R-77M electronics, body, wings also lighter ..etc , and like you have stated lower drag , the point about the air flow to the engine we have to consider the design intake of meteor vs R-77m

oh very weird aircraft :confused:

http://www.eurofighter.com/fileadmin/web_data/downloads/extpub/03_Typhoon_Updated_Report_Feb_2008.pdf

according to this ancient New York Professor Su-35 and Rafale are even but typhoon better :diablo:

i read that too but the su-35 tested dont have RVV-DB and irbis-e so :confused: