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  • in reply to: Rafale vs Su-35 (splitting from Rafale thread) #2287143
    moon_light
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    2km is alot of difference when you combined it with higher speed. Rafale with Meteor will be limited to Mach 1.6 at most. Su-35 will go all the way past Mach 2. 4 Meteor will add considerable drag to Rafale platform. so it will have less fuel to use afterburner.
    Meteor does not have much longer range that is only your opinion not independent fact.

    no in many page before it have been explained , su-35 carry can go up to M2.35 (max speed) with missiles on pylons 5,6,7,8. Any missile on pylons 3,4 will reduce top speed to M2.2. any additional missiles in pylons 1,2,9,10 will reduce max speed to M1.7
    http://www.ausairpower.net/XIMG/Su-35-BVR-AAM-Loadout-AS.png
    su-35 is bigger than rafale => less affected by carry weapon but meteor is smaller than RVV-BD => less drag
    chinese missiles producer say meteor have max range = 160 km , also meteor design was R-77M which was rated as having max range = 160 km ( MBDA bought that design ), it’s range quote by MBDA is over 100 km but not specific , and as been explained before ramjet missiles tend to have equal range to normal missiles having twice the weight

    in reply to: Rafale vs Su-35 (splitting from Rafale thread) #2287155
    moon_light
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    read about kh-38 variants bit more. it can hit mobile targets at 40km range. only 500kg weight class with 250kg warhead.

    1- it much bigger than jagm , sdb ,brimstone , spear
    2- it have much shorter range than sdb II , spear , sdb I , NSM ..etc
    3- it dont have tri mode seeker like SDB II , spear , jagm
    4- it dont have stealth like NSM
    so not the same

    in reply to: EF-2000 vs su-35S #2287162
    moon_light
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    Su-35, of course.

    why ?

    in reply to: Rafale vs Su-35 (splitting from Rafale thread) #2287168
    moon_light
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    and you ignore the higher altitude and speed of launch platform like Su-35.
    As is said 10% more range for Meteor over R-77SD when launch under similar conditions.

    1- we dont know whether su-35 will have higher cruise speed than rafale or not and by how much ? , also it only 2km higher optimum so not that much different in altitude
    2- meteor have much longer range than R-77SD in the same launch condition ,even
    Andraxxus admit that ramjet missiles will likely same range with normal missiles having twice the weight

    in reply to: Rafale vs Su-35 (splitting from Rafale thread) #2287173
    moon_light
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    There is no point increasing range of wvr missile. it is when you finish your primary bvr weopons. you use it as last resort. kh-38 family covers all your list.

    more range = more NEZ , kh-38 is not the same with anything that i mentioned

    in reply to: Rafale vs Su-35 (splitting from Rafale thread) #2287179
    moon_light
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    I dont see anwhere 1sqm standard?
    L-band AESA you can put on fighter also.
    http://www.niip.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22:-l-&catid=8:2011-07-06-06-33-26&Itemid=8

    this wing L band radar on su-35 have very very low power , and processing ability compared to what on the AWACs
    btw you can find about the standard on google

    so missiles have more drag than raised cockpit, more weight, 15% less powerfull engines. as i said your not good in estimation.
    Su-30 with Kh-31 missiles (50% heavier than RVV-BD) and wingtip pod. i dobut it is creating that much drag.
    http://www.ausairpower.net/VVS/Su-30MK+Kh-31P-KnAAPO-2S.jpg

    we are talking about 5 missiles + pylon , and btw the KH-31 in your pic in carry in the wing station not wing tip like you said in previous post

    in reply to: The Dark Arts of EW (and Defence Against Them) #2287214
    moon_light
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    Obviously the T/R emitters on AESA and PESA has a different achitect build up. But that does not make it impossible for a Modern PESA radar to mimic this LPI feature.

    i know , i just think that LPI in AESA will be much better than in PESA

    in reply to: The Dark Arts of EW (and Defence Against Them) #2287216
    moon_light
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    btw you should edit your post and make it easier to read 😎
    i mean

    use this

    in reply to: EF-2000 vs su-35S #2287220
    moon_light
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    You can easily solve this problem by comparing the line 419 and 942, for each aircraft 😉

    http://paralay.com/paralay_tab.xls

    to be honest this seem to be a very bias source :p , it say 1 su-35 = 2 rafale :confused: seriously
    BTW EF-2000 have advantage in acceleration , radar power , missiles load compared to rafale ( not sure how good it is vs su-35 though )

    in reply to: The Dark Arts of EW (and Defence Against Them) #2287226
    moon_light
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    there are something i think you should note
    1- there are different level of LPI , LPI of AESA radar will be different from PESA radar and be different from CW radar ..etc ( i havenot found any RWR producer claim 100 % detection of AESA radar )

    2- is the information provided by RWR or ELINT system enough to get firing solution with only one aircraft available ( mean not by triangulation ) ,( against LPI radar this is even a bigger problem )

    i really interested in this subject , however most information seem classified :confused:

    in reply to: Rafale vs Su-35 (splitting from Rafale thread) #2287286
    moon_light
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    R-60, R-27, Super-530 or AIM-7
    ?

    all these have pretty bad maneuver

    in reply to: Rafale vs Su-35 (splitting from Rafale thread) #2287290
    moon_light
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    Max maneuverabilty of Ks-172 is not published, only target Gs. However it will be derived from 9M38 and it has 20G max maneuverability. It is (like Ks-172) desgined to hit 12G targets.

    ok i just re check it , but dont you feel it weird if 9M38 has 20G max maneuverability and can intercept target that maneuverability up to 12G then missiles like aim-120 or R-77 will be super agile as they has has 35-40 G max maneuverability

    I was sticking to official 100+km figure. Like I said, Meteor outranges R-77 in any case, there is nothing to talk about it.

    i was stick to the fact that Meteor was based on R-77M design with rated 160 km , Chinese missiles producer rated max range of meteor as 160 km , MBDA rated range of meteor as over 100 km rather than 100 km and many sources say it have much longer range than 100 km
    BTW the point iam trying to make here is that even if RVV-BD can attack fighter it’s effective range against fighter will not be much longer than Meteor if not the same

    in reply to: Rafale vs Su-35 (splitting from Rafale thread) #2287321
    moon_light
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    . Even during its first appearance in MAKS-2007 it had KS-172s with extended range boosters under its wings. That missile (if produced) will also have 300-400 km range 12 target G capability.

    wrong Ks-172 can turn 12 G max compared to aim-120 can turn 35-40G ( not that it can intercept target that turn 12 G 😎 )

    Obviously. Like I’ve said earlier. direct path range =~ half the max range. Just as IF Meteor has 100 km max range, it will have around 50 km on direct flight.[/QUOTE]
    Meteor max range is 160 km so i think the direct is about 75-80 km :p

    in reply to: EF-2000 vs su-35S #2287363
    moon_light
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    Future thread suggestions:

    Fw 190 vs. Su-35S
    B-52 vs. Su-35S
    Su-35S vs. Su-35S
    Yellow-faced Honeyeater vs. Su-35S

    clearly su-35s lose in all these case :diablo::diablo:

    in reply to: Time on afterburner #2287396
    moon_light
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    What kind of ram-coatings did you have in mind? 😉

    There are some minor changes that can be done with the shaping but most of the RCS-reduction will have to come from composits and coatings. If there are composits that can be used in a new MiG 31 then it is a project we might see.

    RCS reducion come mostly from shaping ( i mean major chance , not just adding radar blocker for the engine )

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