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  • in reply to: Rafale vs Su-35 (splitting from Rafale thread) #2290240
    moon_light
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    it is not much bigger that it is adding sqm. infact missile look more out of place on Rafale. cockpit is too much raised.

    http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/rafale/images/rafale_1.jpg

    compared the size of meteor and mica vs RVV-BD and you will see
    also Rafale clean RCS is 0.1 m2 => the cocpkit have nothing to do here

    in reply to: Rafale vs Su-35 (splitting from Rafale thread) #2290249
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    detection is not equal to lock on. especially against fighter that will fly way higher than AWACS with more engine power for jamming than weak turbo prop AEW. infact it will not be even prudent to use such AEW as it will have big rcs.

    are you trolling or something ?????????
    flying higher doesnot make it harder to lock ( flying lower = harder for enemy to lock because of clutter )
    AWACS are always have big RCS but it have been used for age and havenot got any problem , because any fighter try to attack them will be shoot down a long time before by escort fighter , unless you have tiny RCS to come close to attack but with a su-35 that is impossible
    btw
    E-3 is 157000 kg
    A-50 , KJ-2000 is 170000 kg
    Wedgetail is 77000 kg
    ..etc are you sure they have less engine power than Su-35 ???
    and even if they does , their computer power , jamming power , radar power are far stronger than any fighter , they are designed for that role 😎 no way su-35 can have stronger radar power 😎 do you even see the size different between their radar ?? , and it not only raw power but sensitive , compute power is also important , do you know how much space in an AWACs is used to analyse the information from it’s radar compared to su-35 ?

    F-4 will take forever to reach 60k feet compared to Su-35.

    oh really , based on what ???? or it because you thing so ? , not to mention you was talking about a su-35 with many heavy RVV-BD missiles

    And more powerfull aircraft overcome it. see MIG-31 example with its load out of heavy missiles.

    i agree that heavier aircraft can overcome weight easier but Su-35 is not Mig-31

    moon_light
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    No aircraft can supercruise at sea level not even F-22. However if you are asking if MiG-31 can reach max speed of 1.2 at S/L, it can, indefinetaly (meaning until its 19 ton fuel tank run dry).

    Thats not the way MiG-31 would conduct anti-shipping anyway. Suppose target is a carrier group; It would cruise to the 700km of the target at ~M0.8, then climb to 70k feet, and cover an additional 400km at M2.5+ while actively jamming. Then it would launch 4x Klub or Kh-15S missiles from 300km range and run away at M1.5+, evading any fighter aircraft launched from the carrier itself.

    i dont think i can detect ship at 300 km ( ship have jamming too ) , it can also easy to get detect by AWACs

    moon_light
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    btw if the enemy ship stop moving = invisible to doppler radar :confused:

    moon_light
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    You got me wrong. What I’ve tried to say is if you put a pre-programmed (before take off) active-radar homing Klub or Kh-35 to follow a certain path, it can be utilised by MiG-31 by releasing it on a pre-determined waypoint. This is the way Su-33 is supposed to fire Kh-41. However, Kh-41 is programmable, and its capable of scanning, identifying and prioritizing the targets it attack on its own.

    However, I spaculate this ability came from SS-N-22, which Kh-41 derived, as it is a must for a surface ship to attack OTH targets, and may not be possible with solely air-launched anti-ship missiles like Kh-31A or Kh-15 etc.

    i get it 😎
    btw they could just put the irbis-e on mig-31 :rolleyes:

    moon_light
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    MiG-31 is capable of supersonic at low altitude to intercept cruise missiles. This was one of big improvements over MiG-25.

    by low altitude here i mean low enough to take advantage of radar horizon ( 50-100 m ) i dont think mig-31 can cruise supersonic at that altitude ( or even for short period of time ) , btw all aircraft fly at low altitude can’t fly faster than mach 1.2-1.3

    moon_light
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    i dont think kh-31 , kh-58 seeker can detect lpi emission , but they have anti ship version with radar too

    moon_light
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    Are you sure about this?
    Pardon my sceptics here, But what kind of wing loading do the Mig-31BM have. How much weight can it mount on its wing pylons.. you say the outer wing pylons can mount 2500L ET! i highly doubt that.

    Sources pls.

    yes it can
    http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/attachments/military-aviation/4876d1152006693-heavy-warload-pics-mig-31m-1-pt-int.bmp
    even with this load it still cruise at mach 2.35 , i have to say that so impress :p , no western fighter , interceptor can even dream of that speed with that load
    btw even the mig-29 can carry pretty heavy load
    http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/attachments/military-aviation/4877d1152006693-heavy-warload-pics-mig29-1-pt-int.bmp

    moon_light
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    does it need to fly low for a ship mission..?
    Just let it ripp a few mini ‘clubs’ at 19km altitude and return home to base.

    I’m not sure how large and heavy ordinance it can mount though.. guess thats the limitation for the jet.

    against new stealth ship , the range that radar can detect them is short => better to fly low to take advantage of radar horizon
    also modern ship have very long range SAM especially against target that big , not maneuver , high RCS , fast , fly high like mig-31 , i think su-35 or even mig-35 is much better for this role

    moon_light
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    it have big RCS + not agile + it have quite high speed + can’t fly at low altitude = easy to detect and hit by SAM

    in reply to: Rafale vs Su-35 (splitting from Rafale thread) #2290737
    moon_light
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    so Meteor tests with Gripen done with AWACS help?. RCS is much smaller? do you even know that difference between 3sqm and 1sqm is not that much. and Flanker has much stronger and bigger jamming pods. so it defeating BVR missile and lockon will be much easier.

    1- no one say that they test the Meteor on gripen with max range => your argument about it is nonsense
    2- as i said like a billions time before deceptive jamming dont need extremely high power ( also noise jamming can be really easy to defeat by HoJ which almost every radar guide missiles have )
    3- who say the su-35 will have rcs = 3 m2 with weapon ??? ( remember that your RVV-BD is much bigger than meteor or mica , the su-35 weapon rack also bigger => affect rcs more

    in reply to: Rafale vs Su-35 (splitting from Rafale thread) #2290740
    moon_light
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    based on projects that Russia is doing Russia has more surplus money to spend. see $30b spending on Valdivostok in less than 5 years. It is city of about half a million. only Qatar can spend this much money on so few people. so it is reasonable assumption that Russia may take less military projects simulataneously like not too many AWACS/UAV or fighter types. but what ever is approved will get top money as needed.

    :confused::confused: same can be say about USA

    in reply to: Rafale vs Su-35 (splitting from Rafale thread) #2290743
    moon_light
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    I didnot said AWACS didnot have greater range than Gripe radar. It is just turboprop AWACS operate at low altitude of 20k to 25k feet. and has engine power much lower. It is unlikely ideal platform dealing with fighter that can easily to go 70k feet.

    you say Awacs dont have much greater lock range than gripen => completely wrong , Awacs dont need to fly at very high or very fast to detect fighter
    , they have been used to deal with fighter for age 😉 ( btw su-35 max service ceiling is 19 km => doesnot mean it can easy go to that altitude , and even the f-4 can reach 60K feet => it not really something special )

    Every thing is much higher.

    no they are not , also at least give a number to support your argument

    You can give update tech to missile much faster than updating an aeroplane. heavier missile have much stronger motor and more fuel. as i said Su-35 has more surplus power so it is inhibited by carrying heavier AAMs. Just like there heavier SAMs with higher speed.

    based on what ???
    btw bigger missile also heavier , have more drag

    in reply to: Rafale vs Su-35 (splitting from Rafale thread) #2291169
    moon_light
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    They have strong radars but not in class of Su-35. just the engine power and nose size is not at that level. Gripen is weakest link and it is sufficient for Meteor.

    no one say they have stronger radar than su-35 but their rcs is much smaller , and as i have explained aircraft dont have to have radar with longer range than missiles max range to use it , future gripen have max radar range of 200 km too , also explained before they can receive help from awacs

    in reply to: Rafale vs Su-35 (splitting from Rafale thread) #2291173
    moon_light
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    weapon sells does not mean overall money available to manufacturers for product improvement and Russia dont do that much offsets so it sells are more profitable.

    base on what russian have more money than USA ??? or you just blow it out of your ass :confused:

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