btw i just realised that F-4 and f-15 actually have lower wing loading than f-16 and su-35 , and F-15 have lower wing loading than F-22 :confused::confused::confused:
F-16 Wing loading: 88.3 lb/ft² (431 kg/m²)
F-4 Wing loading: 78 lb/ft² (383 kg/m²)
F-14 Wing loading: 113.4 lb/ft² (553.9 kg/m²)
F-15 Wing loading: 73.1 lb/ft² (358 kg/m²)
F-18 E/F Wing loading: 94.0 lb/ft² (459 kg/m²)
F-22 Wing loading: 77 lb/ft² (375 kg/m²)
Gripen Wing loading: 58 lb/ft² ( 283 kg/m² )
Rafale Wing loading: 62.8 lb/ft² ( 306 kg/m²)
F-35 Wing loading: 107.7 lb/ft² (446 kg/m² )
Su-35BM Wing loading: (408 kg/m² )
EF-2000 Wing loading: ( 312 kg/m² )

and the most surprise thing F-106 have better wing loading than any modern fighter :eek::eek:
F-106 Wing loading: 52 lb/ft² (255 kg/m²)
it mean in a turning fight it a deathly enemy

the F-5 is very agile, but will lack thrust compared to an F-8 which will be able to use energy tactics to deplete F-5s energy before going in for a kill

but then f-4 have better T/w than f-8 does it mean f-4 be better in dogfight :confused:

F-15 vs F-16 pretty much the same, by using the right tactics, the F-15 should win almost every time (both pilots being equal), the advantage of high thrust installed helping to dictate the fight for as long as we stay with canon only

how come ? f-16 have much better sustain and instantaneous turn rate

The F-15 has a sustained turn rate of 16 deg/s and an instantaneous turn rate of 21 deg/s.
The F-16 also is far more maneuvrable it has a Max instantaneous turn rate of 26 deg/sec , F-16 has a Max sustained turn rate of 21.5 deg/sec

how the f-8 compared to f-5 and f-4 :confused: ( as far as i know the f-5 can turn tighter then F-8 ưhile the F-4 have more T/W => better in vertical )
it seem that F-5 is quite agile as it often be use in practice
btw it seem that lower wing loading and higher T/W doesnot necessary mean better dogfight aircraft right ? i mean F-15 have much higher T/W than F-16 , it also have lower Wing loading but F-16 quite superior to F-15 in gun dogfight , any body have any idea why ?

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what the F-16 in this picture carry ? it look like it have dual rack for AGM-88 m and i have no idea what is at the wing tip

With twin pylons they could add more bombs or drop tanks without having less AA missile. I think it always is good to have that option.

i think so
why the F-16 have so little weapon station ? even when compared to aircraft of equal size like Harrier or EF-2000

No, because they have Mirage has additional vortex generators, totally different -and larger- leading edge flap and slat design, higher G limit etc etc. Its like saying MiG-25 can turn same as F-15 because they look similar.

i think you are right

MiG-29 has worse T/W than F-16 yet it can climb and accelerate better at supersonic speeds. Given the tech advancements made from 50/60s to 80s I would bet Mirage 2k has better acceleration than F-4E.

mig-29 dont have better acceleration or sustain turn than F-16
http://www.eurofighter.com/eurofighter-typhoon/swing-role/mission-effectiveness/acceleration.html
http://www.eurofighter.com/eurofighter-typhoon/swing-role/mission-effectiveness/sustained-turn-rate-supersonic.html

Thats not related with modern/obsolete but the type of gun used. Even on same generation F-16 has 511 rounds Mirage 2k has 250 rounds and MiG-29 has 150 rounds. Thats because,
a) F-4E, F-16 etc uses a gattling gun with less accuracy but higher rate of fire, whereas single barrel chain guns on Mirage 2000 or MiG-29 have less RoF but more accurate. b) M61 Vulcan on F-16 uses 20x102mm rounds, DEFA 554 gun on Mirage 2000 uses 30x113mm rounds and GSh-30-1 on MiG-29 uses 30x165mm rounds. For given limited space within the aircraft #of rounds decrease when the size increases.

See how different their munitions are:

but gattling gun is less affected by overheat :confused: and also air to air you dont need very big bullet

moon-light, all ow the oldies F-8, Migs were limited to something like 6-7Gs, which means that for the same speed a M2k would fly circles around them

like it or not, but you have chosen a bunch of aircraft from the 1950’s and 1960’s and comare them to an aircraft that entered service in the early 80’s…

there’s really a quantum leap in aircraft performance between them..

alright , i take the Mirage out of discussion :p, what you think the best gun dogfight fighter among the other f-5 , f-8 , f-4 , mig-21 , mig-19 and f-106