When you compare those 2 pictures, very little appears different to me. Obviously the rear mast is gone, Harpoon sare in their rightful place (where they’re wired for on T45) and the VLS looks like it might be shorter (well protruding less above deck anyway), but apart from that i’d say its the same vessel. Of course it might be scaled down a bit, but it can’t be by much.

Well the VLS on the FSC model is practically non existent so that must be quite a large amount of weight saved, don’t know how much you would lose from the radars though, like I said it does seem like a lot to save the best part of 1500 tonnes.

BTW the Harpoon launchers are amidships, what you can see at the front I suspect are Torpedo tubes.

Just had another look and the flight deck looks longer on the FSC.

I’d warm to it more myself if it meant it was cheaper than similar foreign offerings so that we can get more than the minimum requirement. It is always easier to get funding to upgrade and add weapons/VLS cells later than to buy an extra hull.

They really should think about exportability as well. Even if they’re going to build them minimalist, they should show how versatile the concept could be with designs showing a range of weapons that could be added.

Well supposedly it’s been designed with exports in mind, to be honest to me it just looks like it’s been designed to be cheap, just look at all that bare deck space where the T45s vls would be.

Hmm i suppose so, it just seems like a large step down for a ship that is basically the same hull.

VLS is around a third (around 16 cells so I have heard), Samson replaced with Artisan, no second radar mast at all, much less in the way superstructure generally, I can see that it would weigh less although getting on for 2000 tonnes does seem a lot less.

Didn’t BAE say it was in the 5-6000 ton range though?

Yeah but if you look at the model of it that has been posted up there’s a great deal less superstructure compared to a T45, also much less in vls.

another view of the C1 design
Clearly, this design is a much diffrent from T45 daring line
(hull much more stleathly….)

It’s supposed to be the same hull;)

Don’t be silly, we can’t afford boats any more.

Silly me, duck islands all round it is.

And our next Prime Minister will almost certainly be an ex PR man, doesn’t look like this is going to change much in future.

Do they not? Ah well, not something I’d seen in print so wasn’t sure. I’d just assumed their eventual upgrades were similar to the US model.

Bit difficult to upgrade a sub by cutting big lumps out of it and installing a vls, the upgraded Los Angeles class had vls installed when they were built.