Swerve, yeah fair point we did have hull’s but compared to what we have currently they are miles apart. I’ve always though we could have done with more Bay class as we were meant to get 6 of them not 4, many people online point to them being the most relevant ships in a modern navy.
I wouldn’t be adverse to more Bay class, but having fewer and much larger ones does make a certain kind of sense for Amphibs, certainly more than it does for Escorts anyway.
I wouldn’t be adverse to a modified bay class as as a Joint casualty Treatment ship with more substantial hanger facilities along similar lines to the Rotterdam.
About the most most relevant ships point; it’s certainly true that they are one of the more useful ship types in peacetime, great for disaster relief and evacuations and so forth, there are reasons why there are lots of them being built around the world.
We’ve already got ro-ro 6 Ferrys in the Point class.
Sorry to say this lads abut i meant the Camberra ocean liner!
Regards
Nick
I suspected as much but couldn’t remember the name of the ship:p
Victor and Vulcan ugly? someone needs an eye test.
yep
And cost us a lot more than the 2 bill we paid to get in on the action. The only way we could have gone properly without the JSF is to have bought the Rafeal from the french and gone conventional.
Or included Carrier launch in Typhoon to start with.
I’ll be happy to chuck a tenner in the whip.
T45 will get Phalanx as and when it needs it but only if it actually needs it, i.e gets sent somewhere ‘hot’
You forgot Brazil.
Sylver A70 is said by DCNS to be capable of launching TLAM, but someone would have to pay for integration.
Yeah I know, but at the time the A70 didn’t exist.
I would expect permission to be required from the US for it as well.
Ahhh! ok just me with a lack of humour etc, typical MoD trying to pinch some pennies hopefully it somehow bites them in the arrse. Ideally since we have so few Phalanx mounts we would replace them with something else for when we get all the new frigates as i would like both C1 and C2 to have CIWS’s. If the RN is very very very very lucky they might just get 16 C1/C2 so for that you need 32 CIWS mounts add into that all the larger fleet units Carriers etc then numbers should justify getting a more modern system. If we need a land based system as well which i think we do then the 35mm Millenium Gun should cover both sea and land based operations.
I still prefer gun based systems for last ditch defense as they can also be used against small boat threats and are a tad faster and easier to reload. A simple upgrade route would be to change to Sea Ram which has commonality with Phalanx.
The numbers being talked about are 10 C1 and 8 C2, not that that really means much of course.
Theres a nice picture in Sept Desider of at least six mounts being upgraded at Babcock marine
I know I read it yesterday:)
Kev i doubt they deployed all the Phalanx mounts on trailers to Afghanistan, there will still be a few hopefully somewhere. There are currently 5 T42 in service with another in extended readiness, there are 2 of the batch 2’s that got the chop this year so thats 4 mounts released. There was a few that got binned last year so thats a few more mounts and they are the mounts that would have been shipped to Afghanistan i would hope.
I was being facetious, there’s an upgrade programme (to block 1b) going as well, although typically for the MOD they’ve decided not to upgrade all of them:confused:
Ahh! fair enough does he have any pics of the interior as i’ve always wondered about the ship since it is all shiny and new, the only other thing i can find of the interior is the short tour video by BAE. In all seriousness though the Aster missiles really should be fitted now rather than next year or later. Are there actually any Harpoon launchers kicking about that could be installed on the T45’s? if not maybe some of the newer Harpoons could be acquired or we could start phasing in a new system.
One thing i would like to see fitted and that is possible in a very short time is Phalanx as they should be coming off the decommisioned T42’s and some of the T42’s have already been binned so there will be mounts in storage somewhere. The T45 is fitted to accept the Phalanx and i would guess it is also partly integrated with the combat management system.
The mounts are in ‘storage’ in Afganistan.
There’s a guy on the Warships1 forum who has had a look around the T45 and states that the space for other vls is definitely in the middle of those existing and it would require some rearrangement of the deckhouse to do, the space between the deckhouse and bridge superstructure is where Harpoon launchers would go if a decision was made to fit them.