Aha! you know how there is a gap between the rows of cells on the T45 i think you might have just given me the reason for this gap. The T45 was designed to take either the Mk41 or the Sylver and im pretty sure the RN wanted the Mk41 as it is more flexible and in use with more of it’s freinds. So it’s most likely wider and i would guess this is maybe down to the exhaust vent along the middle, the sylver launchers use a composite exhaust chamber with a newer design no doubt taking up less space whereas the Mk41 uses and older design.

Or i could be wrong on that and it’s wider if you are looking at it top down rather than side on.

According to Navy Matters the RN wanted Mk41 so that T45 could get Tomahawk, apparently the PAAMs team chose Sylver though and that was that. The space in between the 2 could be used for additional vls cells (space apparently exists for an extra 16), but it would mean moving both the existing sylvers out to create more space in the middle and rearranging the deck housing.

Well its in a two way tie with “BS” but pretty close 😉

None of which means that he isn’t talking truth but I confess that I’m finding it harder and harder to keep an open mind.

A particularly handsome, charismatic poster of godlike intellect (username of ‘Al’ or something like that) previously posted that the drink in question wasn’t even Kool Aid which is a specific (different) brand.
Al

What was it then? I’d like to know just so I can post it everytime that Pfcem uses Kool Aid until he’s just as annoyed as everyone else when they keep seeing this dumb saying:dev2:

Don’t the Mod employee’s count all the people working at devonport and portsmouth as well as on RAF and Army bases as well though? Not just admin people in London.

I’ve seen some very contradictory numbers for MOD personal lately, it appears that not all reports are using the same numbers, I’ve come to the conclusion that whoever is reporting/making a speech is using whatever total they want to prove their case.

Flexibility is good but only where the money spent to get that flexibility generates a return. You seem to be making the assumption that Fireshadow would definitely fit in an A50 cell. Figuring in a longer VL booster than that lofting the inclined-launch weapon I’d not be so certain that we would be looking at a weapon no longer than 5m. Would you choose to standardise all the VL launchers aboard your vessel as A70’s just so that you can swap around Fireshadow or, perhaps, SCALP with CAMM?. No – you wouldn’t!.

All we’ve really got to go on is this:

LMs are launched into the air and provide a persistent loitering capability whilst targets are tracked/identified. On operator command, LMs can be authorised to engage and execute a terminal dive. The Fireshadow design is
compatible with the space envelope of T45s Sylver VLS.

Thats why its not necessarily pointless to have two types of launchers. Even with Sylver A50 you have to have the hull to accomodate a VLS that penetrates three decks down!. Do you need that kind of ship impact – for primarily a self-defence missile fit?.

What are the French/Italian doing with the land attack version of the FREMM? is it just A70s or a mix of A70s and A43?

What you are talking about are vls that are only good for a self defence missile fit, there won’t be any opportunity for mixing and matching missile types depending on mission, so ‘primarily a self-defence missile fit’ becomes ‘just a self defence missile fit’. Unless of course you’re talking about adding a deckhouse as you suggest amidships for a completely different launcher, which does rather seem a little daft when you consider the hull that this is derived from, which has space for a large vls silo that penetrates 3 decks down and has a significantly larger superstructure as well, I wouldn’t of thought it would be a huge problem incorporating longer launchers at the bow, it would make more sense for LO characteristics as well I would imagine.

We went down the SSBN route for a reason, it was decided it was the best deterrent for the UK, that hasn’t changed since the Soviet Union fell down.

quoting myself:o

Well, every time when you are using a weapon, and result of your action sees people killed (be it enemy soldiers or civilians) you are committing a murder. You may call it elimination of enemy forces or collateral damage, it is still a murder.

So any death when resulting from a hostile action is murder? Funny, the law in most countries doesn’t support that viewpoint.

This scenario would more than likely involve the deaths of hundreds, possibly thousands of non-combatants for a relatively small number of pirates, that is completely unjustifiable.

U.K. defense firm accused of bribery

British fraud investigators are accusing BAE, the U.K.’s biggest defense firm, with bribery. The fourth-largest supplier to the Pentagon has been accused of paying millions in bribes to win contracts overseas.

John Lake might be happy!:diablo:

There’s a thread about this already why post this here?

They look professional but not cute. Japanese and Thai girls are much more beautiful.

BTW which missile is this?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/01/article-1217310-06A6C44B000005DC-845_634x423_popup.jpg

I was talking about the outfits not them;)