It’s simple really, we buy up slots on the new Italian Chinook line (I say at least double total numbers), replace all Gazelles with either the UH-72 or the EC 635, increase and accelerate Wildcat production, order a TON more merlins (at least another 48) and work on replacing the 130 or so Sea Kings and Pumas with at least 220 NH90.
Oh yeah, and lift the recruitment cap so we can get in pilots and ground crew for them all.
We could use more Apaches too 🙂
Why do we need to replace Gazelles? Surely the recon role is being taken over by Wildcat and Watchkeeper.
Personally I believe it makes a great deal more sense just to order lots more Merlin’s to replace the Pumas and Seakings, less types of helicopters in service means a great deal in the way of savings on training and spares. Plus isn’t there a massive backlog of orders for NH90?
If we need a handful of something cheap and cheerful as a utility helicopter something like AW149 should be considered.
I seem remember much breathless and panicky talk of Stingers in the hands of the taliban back in 2001/2002 time frame but from what i remember the general thought was that the chemical batteries the Stingers used had long since gone flat redering them useless.
Looking back I assume that was a correct line of thining as I can think of no allied helo’s that have been downed by Stingers.
This from the Wiki page on Stinger:
The Central Intelligence Agency supplied nearly 500 Stingers (some sources claim 1,500–2,000) to the Mujahideen fighting Soviet forces in Afghanistan during Operation Cyclone, the Soviet war in Afghanistan in the 1980s, where they were used quite successfully.[vague] After the 1989 Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, the United States attempted to buy back the Stinger missiles, with a 55 million dollar program to buy back around 300 missiles (US$183,300 each).[4] The U.S. government collected most of the Stingers it had delivered, but some of them found their way into Iran, Qatar and North Korea.[5] Also, as part of its effort to overthrow Angola’s government, the Reagan administration provided Stingers to UNITA anti-government fighters in the late 1980s. In both cases, efforts to recover missiles after the end of hostilities proved incomplete. There has been speculation that the reason the Stinger has not been used in further attacks is because the batteries that are needed for the launcher to function have expired. However, local indigenous version of stinger missiles fielded by the Pakistani Army was used in the Kargil War and shot down an Indian Air Force Mi-8 Helicopter[citation needed] and a MiG-21 aircraft[citation needed], as well as damaging a Canberra reconnaissance aircraft. Pakistan has begun phasing out its inventory of the original American made models completely. The Pakistan indigenous Stinger missile is said to contain an improved IR seeker to better follow its intended target.
If the Talaban do have Manpads then they are probably coming from elsewhere but to be honest I don’t recall any coalition aircraft getting shot down by SAMs.
“Mr Codner, director of military studies, Royal United Services Institute, says Britain’s armed forces have 520 ‘frontline’ helicopters.”
Are there really that many?
A casual glance at Wiki says yes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_Kingdom_military_aircraft
It’s a misleading figure though as many of those helicopters are completely useless for Afganistan.
Why are there so few Lynx in Afghanistan? Given that they’re the most numerous helo the UK uses there should be more there?
Can only be use for moving around small numbers of troops and the engines are no good for hot and high conditions, that’s why a number (20?) are being upgraded with the engines that will be fitted to the Lynx Wildcat.
Latest video, it’s the one where all of those cool pics were taken from:
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-events/rn-live/all-news/queen-elizabeth-class/*/changeNav/6568
There is always MARS to keep them busy. 😉
Not since it got canned/delayed? last year, appears to be very much off the map at the moment.
Did we not make a big fuss about German attempts to back out in the mid- late 90’s (possible the source of those penalty clauses) – would be ironic if they came back and bit us on the backside.:cool:
Yes isn’t it ironic.
I was under the impression that the treasury eventually got overruled by Gordon on 3A. I think he was under pressure from Daddy Europe to behave.
There was suggestion that Mandy gently informed all and sundry that if the contract for 3a wasn’t signed it would damage the image of the UK making us look like unreliable partners.
Your kidding me? They agreed to have only FSTA as the only tanker as part of a legally binding agreement? Knobs, utter knobs!
Someone posted on here a couple of months ago that there is a clause that allows MOD to use anything if necessary but they would be required under the FSTA contract to pay compensation, don’t know if its true could just be an internet rumour.
And yet the treasury would rather waste their money that way than pay for the carriers if their attitude to Typhoon is any indication.
One wonders if Gordon Brown was actually aware of what was in the Typhoon contract.
It would be worth paying money to see, it might be advisable to have a doctor present though.
“now Prime Minister, I know you said no to half the Daring order but would you take a look at this….”
I was talking about the look on the politician/treasury officials faces not the the ship.
What is wrong with the UK parliament that they can’t understand if you want to fight wars and act like a big boy in the world you need to back it up with forces and equipment and cash. I’m happy to spend an extra bit of tax if i knew it was going to a good cause and wouldn’t be pissed up the wall!!
Rant over i got so frustrated.
There was a story from a now retired senior officer in the army that suggested the first deployment to Helmand was fought on a budget that only allowed them to get into a serious engagement once a month. I don’t know the truth of it but I suspect many people would point the finger of blame at Gordon Brown over under funding of UK armed forces.
Also i read today in the Telegraph that “Commanders will have the opportunity to move around more by air when the first of 11 refurbished Lynx helicopters arrives in Afghanistan later this year.” Anyone know aht the refurb will be?
New engines, I believe they are the same as those to be installed in the AW159 Lynx Wildcat (but don’t quote me on that).
Ed, jeez…is it armoured??
Can you imagine the Admiralty walking into No10 and asking for a battleship? 😀
I’d love to see that.