WOW! nhampton, you must have been up for a few nights trying to think that one up, yet even though you managed to come up with something, what it was is hardly good enough to make the PM or anyone elses change his of anyones mind. Weldone! :rolleyes:

But hey, you’re at home on this thread, so knock yourself out, be interest to know why you think its not fit for purpose. Hmmm funny how Typhoon bashers moan about it but never come up with explanations. :rolleyes:

This Lewis person, wasn’t that the same guy that said the RAF would be better of having F-16’s instead of Typhoon’s? Or was it that other kn*b, Kopp? Pretty much says it all about them, doesn’t it…

Probably Lewis, the man’s an idiot. He also thinks the entire RN escort force should be abandoned and replaced with ‘cheap’ auxiliaries and we should ask the Americans to build us a couple of Nimitz class carriers with full airwings instead of CVF, never mind the fact that the only US shipyard capable of building a Nimitz is always busy building carriers for the USN.

He’s pretty much in favour of binning all UK and European made kit in UK service and replacing it with US made, most of the logic behind this appears to be solely based on unit cost.

I know nothing about costs here.

What are we looking to get the C3 for to be able to get 15 past the bean counters.

What did the

type 45 cost per ship
type 23
type 22

what are we looking at for a c1 and c2?

T45 unit cost is approximately £650m , or about £1b (thanks to cutting the requirement in half) if you include all the development costs.

I blame the old Jon Snow fronted presentations showing government spending as a cake. VSOs obviously took these too literally and seem to assume that once the slice of cake has been cut they can mug their counterparts* take the slice of cake/funding and go away to eat/spend it.

Al

* or more likely get a junior to do it for them

That’s all very well but when there is historical precedent that shows this is not the case you would expect the practice to be dropped?

Previous RN/RAF rivalry in those areas has meant both have lost out.

Yep, someone should tell the current heads of service that, they don’t seem to have learned from history.

Lewis Page is to defence reporting what The News of the World is to serious journalism.

Cant see any requirement for a trainable launcher for CAMM. The missile is being designed for a vectored tipover from a VL so why go to the expense of designing a RAM style mechanical launcher?. Even the land-based variant artwork I’ve seen is for a vertical launch pack like that employed for VL-MICA.

BMT show the Venator CAMM variant as having the quadpack VLS in a deckhouse forward of the flight deck. The non-CAMM variant would, presumably, either remove the deckhouse or, more likely, simply just omit the VLS!.

I think that deckhouse is needed for the telescopic hanger.

Would the current flotilla really fill up Pompey dockyards?

Al

That’s the question I was asking:cool:

Don’t forget most of the rest of the surface fleet are going to be moved there, plus 2 nice big shiny aircraft carriers are going to be located there too.