Oh, c’mon, Turbinia, everyone knows that the Red Chinese are peace loving when it comes to the Republic of China. Never mind the fact that RoC is the only thing that gives the Reds any sort of military purpose since the Reds don’t wanna put their balls on the block when push comes to shove in the international stage.

There’s circular logic if I ever read it on these boards. Tell you what, here’s your gold star and a pat on the back for validation. You have skillfully outflanked me with your witty reparte, sir!

Is there really a J-XX in the works or is this more a case of speculation by observers of Chinese aeronautical developments?

Does dirt and grime count as a paint scheme? If so, I’d have say most of Air France’s fleet is has a horrid paint job:D

Given the ever rising costs of high end warships and a defence budget that is nowhere near keeping pace with the price inflation of major aquisition programs then some sort of high/low mix is inevitable if the RN wants to maintain a decent number of hulls in service. Be interesting to see how they approach the T23 replacement as they’re already talking about a much reduced number of high spec figates/destroyers along with a class of corvettes/large OPV’s to maintain hull numbers.

You are totally pissing on my super cool idea for an AEGIS patrol boat, man.

…and don’t forget the Photoshop conspiracy theories, too…..

So let me get this straight:

The gun “isn’t needed” on the Typhoon, since missiles rock…..

And those missiles that rock aren’t integrated on the plane….

…that can’t use the gun?

Frakin’ brilliant.

Too bad you don’t have a sense of humor, then. I think if you check Aisle 5, they might still have some in stock. Oh, and don’t mind the Mohammed cartoon books in Aisle 4, those are for infidels only.

As for the Hawk, it’s a lot bulkier and heavier than the Phoenix. The fins are too large to fit it on a standard underfuselage Phoenix weapons pallet. The guidance is mostly likely to be SARH.