Flogger,

What next are you going to tell us about. Will it be Captain Scott O’Grady’s F-16 or Lieutenant Nick Richardson’s Sea Harrier?

If the shootdowns of these aircraft weren’t enough the naughty Serbs spun stories on them both years later. Is it a mindset that such groups must feel it neccessary to publish doctored images or simply make up stories to substantiate and enforce their claims?

Serb entities re-used the 1993 Mayday audio to try and claim the shoot down of a UK aircraft in Allied Force 1999. How many gullable Serbs were taken in by that one? Venik was fooled completely! Enough said! Years later the Serb entities published a story that Scott O’Grady didn’t evade capture but was actually captured by the Serbs and later traded back to the U.S. authorities.

Flogger, anymore naive posts for the forum? You might as well get them all off your chest here, mate? Since you started the thread with an absolute howler I suggest that you keep them on one thread to ease the embarrassment?!

Its that Russian Site that posted that there were 3 Harriers lost i dont think they were shown becuase they only show Serial numbers of the planes that were lost but not the ones they say were also shot down.

You mean Venik’s website that simply parodied the junk that was coming out of Yugoslavia at the time. The propaganda that was spun for the Serb populace and revealed after the conflict as such.

This disinformation campaign was revealed in “INAT: Images of Serbia and the Kosovo Conflict” by Scott Taylor He describes an interview with Bojan Bugarcic on 25th November 1999 (Bugarcic, was the Senior Advisor on International Affairs to Yugoslav President Milosevic)

The relevant passage follows on pp 123-124: “He [Bugarcic] said that, throughout the war, a tremendous, and extremely effective, propaganda campaign had been mounted by the Serbian military. The aim was to keep the populace believing their forces were mounting a spirited defence. “Using the state broadcaster, unofficial ‘Russian intelligence’ web pages and Army communiqués, the deception had been so successful that many people were fooled. My 22-year-old translator, Vlada Kopric, was one example. While he vehemently denounced the government-controlled RTS media network as spouting ‘pure lies,’ his explorations on the Internet had led him to the bogus Russian intelligence site. As a result, up until my November interview with Bugarcic, Vlada had truly believed that the Serbian military had successfully shot down 78 NATO aircraft. “He was devastated when he learned the truth.”

Every combat jettisoned fuel tank found in Serbia was turned into a claim of a complete aircraft shot down. Harrier and Tornado fuel tanks were photographed with the subsequent spin story that the aircraft crashed at point X. These point Xs were claimed to be in Serbia and not one image could be published of these crash sites.

All those Xs inside Serbia and still no images of those ‘undisclosed aircraft’

http://www.sub.net.au/~ivanovic/YUKriza/downmap.jpg

Sad, sad, sad Flogger. One born every minute! When you’re at it tell the forum about all the Harrier GR.7s still missing from operations during Allied Force?

These are basicly probe flights the same as the Soviets used to always do, as to what kind of loadout these Tu-95 Bears are carrying we don’t know. One reason Russia is doing this to keep their bomber crews trained and familiarizing them with these exercises. In the end they are just probing defenses along the Artic circle. It is also kind of a diplomatic language that says, look were still here and servicing strategic bombers in the grand scheme of things.

As for the NMD It poses no threat to Russias ICMBS, I think what they said was not cruise missles for you but rather the TOPOL-M which is their new baby of their strategic missle forces.

The missions that probe the air defence zones don’t carry any weapons, ie ALCMs – and certainly not live weapons. It is part of the START/SORT treaty. They even notify US/NATO with a time-frame window of such missions. The same goes for all ballistic missile and even space launch missions.

If the Gr7 doesn’t have a gunpod, how can this be true ..?

“… Harrier pilot ‘couldn’t identify the target’, fired two phosphorous rockets that just missed our own compound so that we thought they were incoming RPGs [rocket-propelled grenades], and then strafed our perimeter missing the enemy by 200 metres,”

Major calls RAF support ‘useless’

No gun and also the fact that the RAF doesn’t use the white phosphorous CRV-7 warhead. Me thinks very poor recognition skills by the Major?

Dont think it is one, the wings are lacking hardpoints oif a Tornado

It’s a Tornado F.3. The hardpoint fit of an F.3 can be seen in this image.

http://www.modelspot.com/photo/iat02/f3.JPG

I have an RAF uniform (I seem to be collecting them) but I have a bit of a problem.

I know what the wings are for but am not sure what the rest is meant to represent or even if they are genuine. Does anyone have any information that may help me figure this puzzle out.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks Guy’s (and Gals).

Mark 😉

Those are Medal Ribbons. You should be able to work it out from this link. Try a web search for others links!

http://www.worldmedals.co.uk/Rib/Britrib/britribb.htm

HERE

Rest in peace. 🙁

BBC off again! They are using images of R.1s on that page and on the ‘MR.2 factfile’.