TEEJill try find the serial but u might already the US beacuse the US run so quick to cover up they just paint the same serial agian on another aircraft and also the Anti stealth radars were given from russia do think really serbia could fund a new upgrade for there SA-3 missiles and SA-6 the russians came there for a chance beacuse they did not wont to invade the US to look whats in the plane they sent their people or just sent the radar to us so we can shoot the plane down so they can look in the plane if we did shoot down why did serbia send the f-117a and b-2 bomber parts to russia why hasnent it been returend after 7 years.
SerbMig,
Can we ask what age you are? Thanks for giving the thread a laugh. I last saw that diatribe back in 1999. Thanks for posting it. Some of the worst propaganda ever posted on the web. So now even the Russians are keeping quiet about B-2s being missing from the USAF inventory? Have the survivors been fitted with revolving serial numbers?
The article was first published in “Ilustrovana Politika” on June 01 1999.
It even went on the then Serbian Government website. Embarrassingly enough the link still works. LOL!
They really were scraping the barrel in finding people to write this garbage. It reads like a 13 year old has got hold of his dads computer!
TEEJhey guys i think Radar is better beacuse look what happend in serbia. Serbia got from Russia 11 Tamara Anti stealfth radars and they shot down the f-117a stealth aircraft and the B-2 Bomber and if u think im dreaming that they didnt shot down these aircraft just tell me and ill post u the link.
SerbMiG,
And what are you going to post in your defence? Don’t tell me a Venik link?
Stop posting this BS. Venik still has the SA-6 down as the system that shot down the F-117. I take it you have read the accounts of the commander, Zoltan Dani, whose team shot down F-117 82-806? There was no Tamara. He utilised low frequency radars and got lucky with his battery. You do realise that B-2s are heavy treaty verified strategic nuclear bombers? Please tell me which B-2A, by serial, that has been missing from the inventory since 1999?
TEEJWell I don’t think that it was 100% planned. if it was why they cancelled the rest of its display. Either the pilot made a mistake or the engine had some problem. If it was really planned, I’m very very concern about the future of this pilot…
Why? The pilot, a short while after he landed from this, re-flew his display. He then displayed the Typhoon during the rest of RIAT. He still pilots the Typhoon to this day.
TEEJF-5 or T-38.
F-15.
HAS.
Bonus: DPRK.http://www.sparkherd.com/aviation/thumbs/thumbs.html
Photos of various accidents and wrecks.
Reference the F-15 images:
Some of those images are not real. The second, third and fourth images on the left are mocked up images. The History Channel did a reconstruction of events with the pilot recounting the tale. They even mocked up a shot from the pilots perspective with fuel streaming from the torn off wing. If you look closely at these images that I mentioned you will see the discrepancies of the fuel tanks between the various shots. The film editors simply used stock footage for the flying shots and altered them to fit in with the pilots narrative.
TEEJIraqi MiGs.
Canpark,
The first image is a Sukhoi. SU-25 FROGFOOT.
TEEJSaw this plane on TV last night for the first time, anybody else know about it? It is the M.55 Geophysica built by MDB in Russia as a high altitude reconnaisance plane. It first flew in 1988 and is now used for high altitude research in ‘competition’ with the ER-2 and WB-57 which are not available in Europe. It is powered by two turbofan engines and has a ceiling of 72,000 feet if I did my conversion correctly. It operates from a base at Forli in Northern Italy.
Further to SOCs reply. Even the ER-2 has operated over Russia about five years ago. It was involved in an ozone experiment.
TEEJhi every body i have read these replys u have posted but id like to mention i have pictures of f-16c shot down over yougoslavia and in 99 and f-117A stealfth air craft also shot down un foutrnutrly i could’nt get a picture of the B-2A spirit Stealth Bombed But i have a link about that is confiromed that one of them were shot down over serbia in 99.
http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/b2down001.htm : B-2 Downing
http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws002/natolosses-review01.htm : f-16c
Not this BS again?
SERBMIG,
I take it you have read the articles in the START treaty? The B-2 is classed as a heavy strategic nuclear bomber. Under this treaty it is accountable. The Russians come to Whiteman and other bases to count and verify the numbers in the inventory. The same inspections take place with US inspectors at Russian bases. Even airframes that are allocated as museum pieces, or as gate guards come under this treaty. They are given the once over to ascertain that they are rendered unflyable. So all this and the Russians are still keeping quiet about the B-2A Spirit that they have crossed off the USAF inventory?
The source you quote is Venik. He is a laughing stock amongst the aviation community in his continued belief in undisclosed NATO manned aircraft losses. In particular his claims of START accountable heavy strategic bombers shot down over Yugoslavia. Venik still lists B-52H and B-2s as missing from the inventory. He has even produced serials for them. LOL!
Consider the fact that these heavy strategic nuclear capable bombers were deemed lost during the Clinton administration. Take that into consideration and do you still believe that their loss is being covered up?
TEEJUSAF E-3 AWAC
Not USAF. Note the LX on the tail. Registered in Luxembourg and operated by NATO.
TEEJEach and every Phoenix missile was supposedly rendered inoperative by American ground technicians, acting on their own initiative, shortly before they departed.
I take it that you have seen the video of the recent Iranian exercises? Iranian F-14s are still seen carrying AIM-54s. Iranian Tomcats are still seen out over the Gulf sporting AIM-54s. It is common knowledge within the Coalition forces stationed there that Iran’s Tomcats still train for AIM-54 scenarios during their air combat training. Up until 2005, when I retired, the Iranians still deployed F-14s and generated a healthy sortie rate with them.
TEEJhttp://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/aeronews/conv/article_June_2001_1_141.htm
MiG-17C Fresco C. Have Drill.
MiG-17F. Have Ferry.
MiG-21F-13 Fishbed E. Have Doughnut.
NATO Air Standards Co-ordinating Committee (ASCC).
Don Chan wrote:
“NATO Air Standards Co-ordinating Committee (ASCC)”
Don,
NATO has nothing to do with the ASCC. NATO is on the distro list and does not name anything with a codename. ASCC is now known as ASIC (Air and Space Interoperability Council). The name change took place in 2005. ASIC, formerly ASCC, is made up of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the Untied States of America. Ever find it puzzling that Chinese aircraft were given ‘NATO codenames’? It is just a common reporting name system that NATO is given access to. NATO as an organisation names nothing. ASIC are assigned to Chinese and Russian aircraft names only. Other working parties, again nothing to do with NATO, are assigned to codenaming such things as radars etc.
From ASIC website:
‘First formed in 1948, the Air and Space Interoperability Council (previously known as Air Standardization Coordinating Committee (ASCC)) is an active and productive international organization that works for the air forces of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the Untied States of America. Its principal objective is to ensure member nations are able to fight side-by-side as airmen in joint and combined operations.
The ASIC objectives are achieved by the standardization of doctrine, operational procedures, material and equipment. ASIC also exchanges technical information and arranges the free loan of equipment between member nations for test and evaluation purposes. The results of these tests are usually distributed to all member nations.
Each member nation supports ASIC with a small group of people from its flag rank National Directors down through staff and project officers at appropriate level and rank. All provide expertise to the organization and its working groups and bring back international information to national headquarters and operational commands. Much of the ASIC standardization effort, specifically the internationally adopted Air Standards, is incorporated into the respective National documents.
The ASIC organization continues to provide solutions to the problems currently perceived as beyond the ability of a single nation to resolve.’
http://www.airstandards.com/ascc/index.php?&MMN_position=53:4
TEEJputting some names of the Russian ballistic missiles & their western designation/names…
Russian name —– RS-20 Voyevoda
US code name —– SS-18
Nato code name —– SatanRussian neme —– RS-22 Molodets
US code name —– SS-24
Nato code name —– ScalpelRussian neme —– RS-12M Topol
US code name —– SS-25
Nato code name —– SickleRussian neme —– RS-12M2 Topol-M
US code name —– SS-27
Nato code name —– no name as of now …Hope u guys contribute to list the proper names for all other Russian missiles … as u see, the Yanks put the serials where as the Europeans are still playing with their kitchen, farming, mythical & other stuffs …
A popular myth. NATO has nothing to do whatsoever with any names allocated. NATO is solely on the distribution list.
TEEJApparently no one as it’s in storage.
Noted. Just wondering if it had left storage. The website says that it has been sold to an unidentified owner. Rumour control has an all white 747SP flying routes in the middle east. Just wondering if it was this airframe?
TEEJTeej , is it then Sickle-M ??
No. The SS-27 does not currently carry a western name. The SS-25 is the SICKLE and the SS-26 is STONE. The 27 won’t carry a similar name to the 25.
TEEJAustin,
The SS-27 is not designated SICKLE.
TEEJKlub would be SS-N-27 , Janes is right about the Bulava being SS-NX-30 , The X will go away once she is made operational , It would be Bulava ( SS-N-30)
Incorrect. The 3M-14E carries the designation SS-NX-30. The 3M-14E is of substantial difference to carry a new designator. This is a standard list and available to all NATO members. Before I retired from the military the Bulava had not been codenamed. Jane’s is completley wrong about the designation that ‘it’ assigns to the Bulava. Ask SOC he will probably confirm the designator for the 3M-14E.
Sign In
