Libya’s National Transitional Council leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil arrives in Sirte October 11, 2011.

TJ
Thanks a lot, TEEJ, this was exactly what I was searching for :p
No problem, Chris.
TJ
One of the Typhoons (ZJ923) returning from Libya ops sports a healthy bomb tally. Image taken at RAF Coningsby.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/last_lightning/
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3836208/Do-my-bombs-look-big-in-this.html
TJ
He is assuming that it’s Spirit of Missouri. All he knows for sure it’s something big like B2.
To make the point further that Col Anicic was referring to a B-2 see following image. Someone in authority must have sanctioned the stencil of the B-2 kill? Image by Miroslav Gyűrösi.

From
http://www.ausairpower.net/CV-MG-2008.html
TJ
Interesting article …
TF Hawk, the Army helicopters that never saw action due to their acute vulnerability to Serb air defenses that annihilated anything that flew under 15,000 feet
Not quite the case. The good Colonel will know that even after the ceiling was imposed that manned aircraft were permitted to go lower. Even when permitted to go lower none of these aircraft were annihilated.
TJ
However, Serb forces withdrew in good order and intact suffering modest losses (fewer than 14 tanks and about 500 military casualties contrary to what general Clark insisted at the time.)”
Ah the old ‘tank’ claim, but those who drag it up never consider ALL armour and not just tanks. The reality is somewhat different when you take into account the details released by Yugoslavia shortly after the conflict.
When the Yugoslavs returned to the Vienna Document and Dayton Accord the losses admitted were 18 MBT and 136 AFVs. Obviously not all those admitted destroyed remained in Kosovo. During the Technical Withdrawal the Serbs were noted pulling out as much damaged/destroyed/disabled armour as possible. As much to deny NATO the BDA as well as spares recovery.
The BDA sucked. Consider that many AFV hit were written up as MBTs and you can see how the figures got skewed. Not everything hit were decoys and it was quite an eye opener to many when Yugoslavia released the actual figures.
Another eye-opener was the number of combat declared aircraft destroyed. under the Vienna Document and Dayton Accord at the end of 1999. The numbers of combat aircraft destroyed was announced as 50 fixed wing aircraft. (The total allowed was 155 under treaty of which the Yugoslavs declared 152). The declaration of 11 combat declared helicopters brought the total to 61 combat declared assets recorded under treaty.
It paints an entirely different picture to what was pumped out by the Ministry of Information up until the Vienna Document declaration.
TJ
Please see picture on Mycity-Military Forums:
Dead link for me. Please provide the thread link or save the images to your computer and add as an attachment. I expect that the image will simply be re-posts of the already known images of the F-117A and F-16CG?
TJ
@TEEJ
Thank you for the effort.
No problem.
He is assuming that it’s Spirit of Missouri. All he knows for sure it’s something big like B2. Unfortunally the translation is good but not perfect and the moderator keeps interrupting him with stupid questions just as he is trying to tell us the good stuff 😡
As for START treaty all I can say is that “politics are a bit..”. Anyway I believe him, he is a good and honest man and I don’t see any reason for him and his crew to lie.
It is all right believing him, but it still doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Something big in such circumstances is going to be a strategic bomber. B-52H, B-2As and B-1Bs took part in Operation Allied Force. B-52Hs not only did the stand-off mission but also direct bombing missions over Yugoslavia.
At 03:14 he claims that this aircraft crashed in Spaevanske Sume, Croatia and that the wreckage of this ‘big aircraft’ was removed.
Explain how you cover up the loss of such a large aircraft and keep it a secret form 1999 to present day? It is simply impossible.
B-1s deployed AN/ALE-50 Towed Decoy Systems during Allied Force to great effect. The good Colonel may indeed have though that he had engaged a large aircraft but was actually spoofed by the decoy system?
At the time the Russians even became involved in the lunacy of heavy strategic bombers being shot down.
http://www.truthinmedia.org/Bulletins2000/tim2000-5-1.html#2. NATO Losses Revisited (by Venik)
According to Venik back in 2000 the Russian Foreign Military Review magazine also got involved in promoting the claims of heavy strategic bombers being shot down. This was also reported by ITAR-TASS.
The Foreign Military Review writes: “Despite the fact that American aircraft dominated NATO operations, they weren’t the only aircraft shot down by Yugoslav air defenses. Among the destroyed aircraft were five German “Tornadoes,” several British “Harriers'” two French “Mirages,” Belgian, Dutch, and Canadian aircraft. On June 7 the USAF lost a B-52 strategic bomber, while on May 20 a B-2A “Spirit” was shot down.”
Information regarding the B-52 loss comes as a surprise to me. I have seen a brief eyewitness report regarding this incident, but it was never mentioned in press or on the NATO losses list on my site. Looking at the eyewitness report listing compiled by aviation enthusiasts in Yugoslavia, we can find the following entry (#381) June 7, between 012 and 040, area between Slankamen and Indjija, One large bomber (most probably B-52) was shot down. Aircraft exploded after a direct SAM hit. Crew killed.”
Venik, Philadelphia, April 21, 2000
The reality is that you simply can’t keep the loss of such a heavy strategic bomber secret. If it is missing then explain how the continual cover up is maintained?
TJ
Thanks TJ.
No problem.
TJ
Of course what Col Anicic fails to realise is that all strategic nuclear capable heavy bombers are covered by the START treaty. The Russians conduct on-site inspections and swap data with the US on the numbers of heavy bombers in service. For B-2 Spirit of Missouri, or any other B-2 airframe, to simply disappear without trace is simply illogical. Such a loss wouldn’t last five minutes in the US Congress and neither would the Russians keep quiet.
Of course Spirit of Missouri, serial 88-0329 is very much alive.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA—Air/Northrop-Grumman-B-2A/1283296/L
http://jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?regsearch=88-0329
http://www.ozatwar.com/usaaf/13threactivation16.jpg
From 2005 Grim Reapers reactivation.
http://www.ozatwar.com/usaaf/13threactivated.htm
TJ
Sorry if i missed an earlier post , but you asked them about that second combat damaged F-117( as per USAF website ) serial number, right ? :confused:
Thanks.
Yes. Five documents were retrieved on the search, but all are still classified.
TJ
Why are there English words on Iranian airplane? Even IRIAF?
Why do some countries do this, and others don’t.
Anyway, I would expect Iran not to..
In the case of the other early F-5 Iranian variants there was slogans in Farsi on them. In the case of the blue and yellow examples you can see how someone got carried away looking at images of the Blue Angels. 🙂
http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA—Navy/McDonnell-Douglas-F-A-18A/1983994/L
The other blue and yellow example got the stencils in yellow. See following image link.
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3104/291saeghe1lz0.jpg
TJ
No joy on my request for an F-117 serial number. After several transfers between various USAF bases I have finally received a reply to my Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, Case 2011-05080-F.
All documents are classified and not releasable… Your case is now considered closed.
TJ
Wow. That B-52 airframe took part in Vietnam bombing…talk about old.
The B-52H model at MAKS was serial 60-0037.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA—Air/Boeing-B-52H-Stratofortress/1968215/L/
The B-52H variant was not used to bomb Vietnam. Yes it dates from the early 1960s, but the variants used over Vietnam were earlier models that have long since retired.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
TJ