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  • in reply to: FRA MiG-29 book by Yefim Gordon #2485718
    TEEJ
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    The following link has the communications between the F-15s and the E-3 AWACS from the 26th March 1999. E-3 is callsign ‘MAGIC 77’ and the F-15s are callsign ‘DIRK 1’ and ‘DIRK 2’

    http://www.1stguns.de/support/mig29_kosovo_splash.mp3

    TJ

    in reply to: FRA MiG-29 book by Yefim Gordon #2485745
    TEEJ
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    Niksi wrote

    I don’t want to go into some endless fight but I recall very well the words of Jamie Shea (who was the PR of the NATO at the time) who was mentioning downed or destroyed on the ground Fulcrums every now and then (not repetitions – but new kills). He claimed (double) more MiG’s (Fulcrums) were destroyed than Yugoslavia in reality had. I don’t have any sources for this as this was emitted through the CNN and BBC on a daily basis.

    Again yet another falsehood. The claims that I have listed come from the press releases hosted by NATO. NATO knew exactly how many Fulcrums were delivered to Yugoslavia. Yet again I’ll stress the OSCE/Dayton Accord and Vienna Documents. The only claims made by NATO were the claims that I listed in relation to MiG-29s.

    TJ

    in reply to: FRA MiG-29 book by Yefim Gordon #2485916
    TEEJ
    Participant

    Sveto wrote

    I am sorry becouse i wirte this on forums i would like to have Yefims e-mail adress and wirte him about this thing by private mesages so he could make some corrections for next edition of these great books.

    Sveto,

    Why not approach Yefim Gordon’s publishers with a letter? I’m sure that the various publishers will pass on any correspondence!

    TJ

    in reply to: FRA MiG-29 book by Yefim Gordon #2485919
    TEEJ
    Participant

    Teej,
    The wreck video is the one depicting the engines and parts of tailfins of the Serb Mig29 that crashed in Bosnia. This has been “declared” as an F15 wreck since day one for (I guess) propaganda purposes. The fact that Sveto is using : would, might, etc shows clearly that he is covering something that he is not sure how true it is ad thus restrains from declaring a confirmed F15 kill. On the other hand, do not be so 100 % sure of what the USAF says that happened every time, because USAF too has some propaganda reasons to cover on her own. For example, let us not forget the F18 that was the first US aircraft to be lost in the first IRAQ war, that took the US 10 years to finally accept that it was shot down by an Iraqi MiG25 and not by a SAM!!!
    Or the fact that the number of MiG 29s declared destroyed by the Alied forces in Yugoslavia were double the number of MiGs operated by the Yug. AirForce, and yet 5 planes did actually survive the fight with one more plane having been written off due to accident………
    So, I find Sveto more controlled on his post (even if I too believe that no F15s where actually lost in Yugoslavia) than your sarcastic comment on his recognition abilities and such…..When you have the facts on your side, there is no need to be sarcastic.
    Remember that Truth is ALWAYS the first casualty in any war.

    Stormeagle,

    It’s no use spinning it and going off on a tangent with ‘do not be 100% sure’ scenarios. Sveto is perfectly clear in his mind that the footage that he saw was an F-15. He even makes the declaration “After all these years i am pretty sure that i know difference between MiG-29 and F-15”. I again reserve the right to challenge that.

    Or the fact that the number of MiG 29s declared destroyed by the Alied forces in Yugoslavia were double the number of MiGs operated by the Yug. AirForce, and yet 5 planes did actually survive the fight with one more plane having been written off due to accident………

    Correct, the video and stills have been misinterpreted and used over the years. I’ve even seen people claim that the MiG wrecks were planted by NATO! Again, absolutely no concession on the sarcasm if individuals can’t interprete what they see and make such sweeping statements. You yourself have fallen into that trap with your statement reference the Battle Damage Assessment claims of MiG-29s.

    You are also falling into the trap and making claims that NATO did not make. No such claims were made. Think about it? The numbers of MiG-29s in the inventory were well known and by many agencies and organisation involved. Yugoslavia was a signatory to the Vienna Document and Dayton Accord and there was no way that double the number of MiG-29s could be in the inventory.

    For accuracy here are the claims made and released at the press briefings.

    March 26 – 1 MiG-29 claimed destroyed in Tomahawk attack on airfield.

    April 27 – 1 MiG-29 claimed destroyed on ground during air raid.

    May 3 – 1 MiG-29 claimed destroyed on ground during air raid.

    May 4 – 1 MiG-29 claimed destroyed by F-16s using laser-guided bombs.

    May 11 – 1 MiG-29 claimed destroyed on ground using cluster bomb.

    May 17 – 1 MiG-29 claimed destroyed at dispersed site with AGM-130 launched from F-15E.

    June 7 – 3 MiG-29s claimed destroyed by Dutch F-16s using Paveway II LGBs

    That is 9 claimed destroyed on the ground. NATO made 6 claims in air-to-air combat. You do the Arithmetic!

    So, in reality there were NO ‘double the number’ of MiG-29s claimed destroyed. The M-18 were excellent and led to the MiG-29 Battle Damage Assessment figures being misconstrued.

    TJ

    in reply to: FRA MiG-29 book by Yefim Gordon #2486325
    TEEJ
    Participant

    Teej, no need to be sarcastic. Sveto is very carefull at what he is sayig and he doesn’t insist on any strange shotdown numbers like Venik. I found you a bit out of line on this one.

    Sveto, do you have any photographs of M18 being discised as Migs or painted in camouflage colors?

    I am trying to build some models of special painted M18s (like the Croatian ones flown in the 2nd war) and I would love some Serbian examples….

    Re-read his posts. He is claiming that an F-15 wreck was filmed in Bosnia during the conflict. A wreck showing engines and tailfins. He is also alluding to the fact that Major Radosavljevic might be the cause of the demise of this ‘F-15’. This ‘F-15’ wreck video would be positive proof of an undisclosed loss. Do you not agree? I reserve the right to challenge such a claim and heaven forbide that I use sarcasm. How naughty of me! Not the first time that poor recogniton skills have caused such a claim.

    in reply to: FRA MiG-29 book by Yefim Gordon #2486608
    TEEJ
    Participant

    The two MiG-29 wrecks were examined by U.S. intelligence flown in from Germany as part of the threat assessement. ALL the missiles that the two MiGs carried were recovered. Nothing had been launched from any MiGs.

    I’ve had lots of internet forum discussions with people who believe that they saw footage or images during the conflict. Think about it. If the video that you saw was shown on TV then there is still a record of it. Contact the TV station involved and request a copy. Think about it? You claim to have seen the wreck of an F-15 shown on TV in Bosnia. Shown on TV and broadcast to an audience which includes all the international media who record and monitored it for newsfootage and stories. So, according to you a video exists of an F-15 wreck showing engines and vertical stabs. Evidence of an undisclosed loss and yet you were the only one who identified it 100%? It doesn’t really wash does it?

    Have you contacted Venik? Are you aware that this would be positive proof of undisclosed losses and worth a pretty penny to news agencies? Since 1999Venik has been pleading for such footage. Sveto, single handied you could solve Venik’s problems with your aircraft recognition skills!

    http://www.aeronautics.ru/natodownfaq.htm

    Imagine the uproar you will cause in the aircraft spotting and enthusiast community? Since 1999 an F-15 has been missing from the inventory and yet know one has noticed, yet the video was shown on TV during 1999? Remember to give Venik my regards when you contact him with this hot news!

    in reply to: FRA MiG-29 book by Yefim Gordon #2487112
    TEEJ
    Participant

    I am talking here about video wich shows vertical stabilisers and engines wich looked like F-15.But still that doesnt mean that Radosavljevic shot down F-15..

    OK. The footage of the MiG-29 wrecks in bosnia was filmed by camera crews. One airframe, believed to be Peric’s, was more intact, but the airframe, believed to have been Radosavljevic’s, was the most damaged. Video and stills of the two MiG-29s were shown and this might be the ‘F-15’ parts that you seen. There was no other footage shown that could even be even remotely considered to be an F-15. There was only two NATO manned aircraft lost in combat during Allied Force. (F-16CG and F-117A)

    http://img165.echo.cx/img165/9459/mig29bosnia58bl.jpg

    http://img165.echo.cx/img165/4582/mig29bosnia45nb.jpg

    http://img165.echo.cx/img165/3231/mig29bosnia121rn.jpg

    http://www.aeronautics.ru/mig29bosnia.jpg

    in reply to: FRA MiG-29 book by Yefim Gordon #2487260
    TEEJ
    Participant

    Sveto wrote

    Some sources reporeted that Radosavljevic shot down one F-15,there was also video of that F-15 parts on Bosnian television but immediately forbbiden by SFOR.

    The F-15 ‘parts’ were combat-jettisoned external fuel tanks. Journalists and a film crew located the burning woodland and found the remains of the external fuel tanks.

    Image of one of the externals can be found here. A Canadian camera crew also filmed an F-15 on the 27th March 1999 venting fuel before landing at Sarajevo. (Image also located here)

    http://www.aeronautics.ru/fakemig.htm

    Both MiG-29 wrecks were recovered with their full weapons loads intact. Lt Col Peric even admitted in interview that they fired nothing at the the F-15s before being shotdown.

    The two F-15C involved in the 26th March 1999 shootdown were serials 84-0014 and 86-0156. Both airframes are still flying today. Captain Hwang, flying 86-0156, was awarded the double-kill of the MiGs. The two USAF F-15s were on an Operation Deliberate Guard patrol over Bosnia when they detected two MiG-29s heading towards them from Serbian airspace.

    From Captain Hwang’s account detailing the jettison of the external fuel tanks:

    “About this time, both Boomer (TJ note; Boomer is Hwang’s wingman Captain McMurray) and I got good ID on the target in our own cockpit and, with threat hot towards us inside 30 nm, decided to blow off the AWACS/clearance-to-engage restriction and go for it! Target was now inside 30 nm, and I directed Boomer to target the single group. I broke lock and went back to search in 40-nm scope and 120 sweep. The target check turns towards northwest (about 14L aspect) and descends to high teens. Boomer and I checked about 30¡ left to northeast for cutoff. This check turn slung me aft in the formation, so I stroke it up to full AB to get more line abreast. I called “Combat 1, arm hot” and saw Boomer’s wing tanks come off with bright flames under the wing. Pretty impressive! I was well over the Mach when I punched my tanks off, and the jet jumped up abruptly (you can see it in the HUD). Took a quick look back to see if my stabs were still intact,…. ”

    A Reuters news team found at least one of the combat jettisoned tanks and produced a near 4 minute video. Unfortunately the footage ran around the world as being wreckage from a MiG-29. It wasn’t until first light the following day that the same Reuters team filmed the first of the MiG-29s that came down in Bosnia. The English stencil is simply “ANNUAL INSP C/W” (Annual Inspection) (C/W stands for Complied With). The video is near four minutes long and shows close ups of the tank fins, vent/feed pipes and manufacturers welded plate stating ‘600 US gallons’. That single still went all round the Internet on some web sites as ‘proof positive’ that an F-15 had been shot down.

    The F-15 seen venting fuel over Bosnia on the 27th March 1999.

    Captain Spinetta of the 493rd FS takes up the story:

    “Early in the crisis, news organizations, reported seeing two F-15 Eagles divert into Tuzla with ‘battle damage’. They reported seeing ‘smoke’ as the aircraft came in for an emergency landing. Quite untrue! Don’t believe everything you read in newspapers and magazines that covered the conflict. The two F-15’s (from my squadron – the 493rd Fighter Squadron, ‘The Grim Reapers’, based at RAF Lakenheath) were dumping fuel to reduce their gross weight so they could land because of a small mechanical problem. One jet made a precautionary landing because a back-up hydraulic pump had ceased to function. The other jet went along for mutual support. Fighters never go anywhere alone.

    Because they wanted to deter any expansion of the conflict to Bosnia, the Army quickly pointed out to the news media that the F-15s were not flying combat missions out of Camp Eagle. The only folks stationed at Camp Eagle were ‘Stabilization Forces’ (SFOR). The Army stressed that their sole function was to ensure peace and stability in Bosnia. They were not involved with any fighting in Kosovo and did not want any hostilities to expand into their area of responsibility.

    We flew maintenance troops into Camp Eagle to fix the jets quickly. I happened to be flying a combat air patrol mission overhead when they took-off. The Camp Eagle commander, an army general, wanted to give a morale boost to his troops so he encouraged our pilots to make a maximum performance take-off. To accomplish this, you accelerate on the deck to 400-plus knots before pulling the jet skywards. You stand the aircraft on its tail and watch the world get small as you accelerate in the vertical. The Army commander emphasized this was a ‘tactical’ departure. Occasionally, he said, tensions still flared up. You can never be sure that all shoulder-launched SAM’s have been removed from circulation. So, he ‘ordered’ the Eagle pilots to avoid the potential threat, the only option being a vertical climb to avoid flying over the base perimeter. The two Eagle pilots were happy to indulge the general’s request. As they executed their max performance takeoffs, each pumped out a string of chaff and flares. Apparently, the sound and light show was better than the last ten Guy Fawkes fireworks displays combined. I watched their take-off from my CAP overhead and can attest they were impressive.

    Unfortunately, the flares started a small brush fire off the end of the runway. After all the Army’s hospitality, we paid it back by setting their base ablaze. One of the pilots felt guilty and called back to the base. Rather than being angry, the Army commander was ecstatic. He was happy his troops got a little entertainment. He said the fire crews needed something to do anyway to break up the monotony of peacekeeping. Someone of the ground took a few pictures of the takeoffs and converted them into screen-savers for their computers.”

    TJ

    in reply to: Argentine Falklands veteran in UK #1220580
    TEEJ
    Participant

    Looks like the Puma ditched at some point? What happened to it after recovery?

    PA-12 now serves with the RAF.

    http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=ZE449&distinct_entry=true

    TEEJ
    Participant
    TEEJ
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    The Chinese embassy was struck by a B-2 with JDAMs.

    TEEJ
    Participant

    The F-8 Finback was PLANAF. The U.S. had previously complained to the Chinese of the conduct of some of the intercepts before the collision. Lt Commander Wang Wei had previously come close to EP-3s and held up pieces of paper. The pieces of paper were believed to be an attempt to pass an e-mail address to the EP-3 crews. The U.S. released video and stills of some of the previous close intercepts that had caused concern. This one is from January 30, 2001 showing Lt Commander Wang Wei on one of his earlier close intercepts attempting to hold a piece of paper with his e-mail address on. In such close proximity it doesn’t take much for things to get out of hand if you are concentraiting on things other than flying. An uncorrected drift and before you know it you are in the wash of the EP-3.

    http://www.hillary.org/hillary/wang.wei.email.jpg

    in reply to: Syria 'fires on Israel warplanes' #2490188
    TEEJ
    Participant

    Depleted uranium in aircraft delivered bombs??? And frankly the Syrian argument it does not hold much water to me. One would not need DU to be used to create a penetrating iron bomb. Good old fashioned steel will work just fine.

    I can honestly say that this is the first time I have ever heard of such a thing existing in any munition outside of a APFSDS tank round fried from the barrel of a Tank main gun or in cannon shells for the GAU-8 cannon of the A-10 and 20mm Phalanx CIWS mounted on ships. I know there are other cannon applications, but none of them come to mind.

    Israel does have the GBU-28 in service. The penetration warhead has DU. Other munitions from iron bombs onto stand-off cruise missiles are believed to have, or can be upgraded to carry, DU penetration warheads.

    http://www.dsca.mil/pressreleases/36-b/2005/Israel_05-10_corrected.pdf

    http://www.eoslifework.co.uk/pdfs/DU2102A3b.pdf

    in reply to: Syria 'fires on Israel warplanes' #2490494
    TEEJ
    Participant

    Syria blames Israeli bombs for uranium traces

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g6EaDL79y0zo-vARxiTBol6kbbzQD94DF0U00

    DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) — Syria’s foreign minister suggested Wednesday that Israeli bombs may be the source of uranium traces that diplomats at the U.N. nuclear agency said were found at a suspected nuclear site.

    Walid al-Moallem said the diplomatic leaks about the traces found at the site, which was targeted by Israeli warplanes in September 2007, were politically motivated and aimed at pressuring Syria.

    “No one has ever asked himself what kind of Israeli bombs had hit the site, and what did they contain?” said al-Moallem, adding that the United States has used bombs containing depleted uranium in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    ….

    Again yet another reference to Syrian sources stating that the site was bombed by Israel. It is an interesting claim, but the IAEA would be well aware of depleted uranium contamination over higher grade processed uranium.

    To rule out 100% the claims of depleted uranium from Israeli weapons all the Syrians have to do is allow the IAEA further access to the site. An extensive and longer search should be enough for the IAEA to confirm.

    in reply to: Night Photography #493630
    TEEJ
    Participant

    Nice shots. The helicopter is a Westland Whirlwind the other is a British Aerospace Jetstream 31 fuselage.

    You could always contact Solway. No harm in asking.

    http://www.visitcumbria.com/car/solavmus.htm

    TJ

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