You understanding of the decoy launchers wasn’t correct, the illustration (13) clearly points to the decoy launchers.
The pointer shows 2 x PK-2 decoys launchers on the deck edges.
You can have a better view of those in the pic below.
Ah, I see, so the side illustration marking is wrong then. So, these are the PK-2 launchers then I presume. Thanks for resolving this.
Wiki info is wrong on that one. That is pair of Iglas from the double SA-N-10 launcher.
Yeah, it obviously isn’t an SA-N-9, but where did you get an idea of SA-N-10 launchers on the Kirov class as there aren’t any photos showing them nor any Kirov specs which mention them?
But, the small doors on the structure behind the RBU launchers (where something is apparently being fired from on the photo) got me thinking that these might be some decoys and after a quick search it seems that these are in fact the decoy launchers – you can see the three small doors on the starboard side of it and perhaps four more on the port side.

This diagram describes them as such (13 on the side diagram – ПУСКОВЫЕ УСТАНОВКИ ВЫСТРЕЛИВАЕМИХ ПОМЕХ = decoy launcher; the 13 on the bottom “top-down” diagram points incorrectly to the wrong item and it seems to have been added afterwards incorrectly):

What exactly is the Oniks missile doing upon launch? Looks quite complicated..
I presume this might be the low (lo-lo) altitude flight profile mode. After the initial launch, the missile assumes correct attitude using thrusters, the cap is released and the full booster power is activated to bring the missile up to cruise speed after which the ramjet stage should take over. But, just guessing here..
The BBC is reporting a resumption of airstrikes over Aleppo: No idea who is doing the striking though.
There are strikes all over Idlib and Aleppo provinces by Russian and regime forces.
Not that many.. The first F-14D production aircraft was delivered in 1990, after the fall of the Soviet Union. Still, the F-14D was experiencing software and subsystem integration problems, which have delayed deployment of the aircraft to late 1994.
The Bush administration recommended terminating the (new-built) F-14D program in its FY90/91 Budget Revision and recommended an F-14A/B upgrade program instead. Up to 200 Tomcats should have been upgraded.. Two years later the upgrade was cancelled after 18 F-14As were rebuilt. The last F-14D was delivered in 1993.
The F-14D with AN/APG-71 was a waste of money in the end since the primary F-14 mission (bomber/cruise missile interception with Phoenix missiles) suddenly disappeared and they didn’t integrate even the A2G modes which would have been useful in the Tomcat’s later mission as a long range strike platform till the Super Hornets became available in numbers. I guess that’s why it was easy to stop further F-14D procurement.
Although IMHO, the fully featured F-14D (equipped for A2G from the outset, i.e. A2G radar modes, PTID, targeting pod support, etc.) would have been a superior asset compared with the Super Hornet due to its better speed and range, though it would probably lose out on the economical side and growth potential.
Well it seems that the overwhelming majority of North Vietnamese kills were with the MiG-21/R-3 missile combo and the MiG-17 and J-6 were eventually sidelined in service – the lack of a gun on the MiG-21 didn’t seem to be considered such a huge disadvantage.
The lack of gun was not a problem since their pilots were in general not really skilled enough for dogfighting better trained US pilots and the MiG-21’s were usually considered too valuable to be squatted on that. Thus, most of the MiG-21 kills were made by being guided by GCI behind USAF large formations where they would approach a target from behind, fire off the missiles at an unsuspecting target and then try to disengage and run home.
Peter the Great has the rear Kinzhal battery set up, never got the front one.
Yeah, thought as much because it’s obvious from the photos, but was puzzled with all the references still mentioning these as being installed. There’s even a photo on the Tor wiki claiming to be an SA-N-9 launch from the bow, but the location is obviously ahead of where the SA-N-9 bow silos would have been.
if the F-14 gets criticized for its AWG-9 and Phoenix combo against fighter sized targets, what makes the MiG-31 and R-33 combo any better?
The MiG-31 and R-33 were not intended to be used against fighters at all, but against bombers and cruise missiles (especially given the terminal SARH guidance of the R-33 where the Zaslon radar has to illuminate up to 4 targets in parallel). But, again, it might work if the targets were not aware of being engaged, but here the MiG’s radar has also to illuminate its targets (unlike the AWG which only kept tracks of them) so I’m not sure if that would go undetected (depends on the target’s RWR systems as well).
In any case, the expensive single-purpose MiG-31 is not a proof that the Soviet Union was not behind in radar technology just because it had a first operational PESA radar on a fighter/interceptor, but quite the opposite. They had to use a PESA because they couldn’t make a normal array which would satisfy the requirements as their tech was far behind that of the West (especially the computers). I’d presume that the West didn’t use PESA because it was not superior to their mechanical arrays so they waited for AESA arrays to become viable. IIRC, the Su-27 was supposed to have a hybrid PESA set with electronic scaning in the vertical but they failed to develop it at the time so they had to use the cassegrain design from the MiG-29 which was quite obsolete at the time (plus the processing power of its Ts100 units was terrible so IIRC the TWS didn’t work well).
Does anybody know if there’s a good reference somewhere on the exact weapons fit of the Kirov class members?
For instance, I keep seeing mentioned that e.g. Kalinin/Nakhimov and Andropov/Pyotr Velikiy (and even Lazarev/Frunze sometimes) have the SA-N-9 launchers installed in place of the SS-N-14 Silex launchers (there’s even a photo on Wiki of a supposed firing of one, but the location definitely looks off). But, all I see are these flat panels where these launchers should be installed (kind of like the rear deck empty panels on Frunze and Kalinin/Nakhimov apparently) and an apparent empty spot on the tower where I suppose the radar unit should go.
So, am I correct in assuming that none of the units ever had the front SA-N-9 set installed (plus that only Pyotr Velikiy had the rear set installed)? If not, where are the missiles and the front radar unit (e.g. like the one clearly visible on the rear superstructure of Pyotr Velikiy)? Thanks.
Kuznetsov Group 8th November 2016. From Landsat 8 data.
Wait, I thought Russia ratified the Kyoto protocol? 😉
Looking forward to some new footage of it’s air group operations.
And don’t forget that US left Taliban hanging(CIA war funding), once the Soviet left Afganistan. Same ****, different times.
Say what? Is it so hard to read a bit about the Afghanistan war before repeating such nonsense lines from the Internet.
First of all, the Taliban were in a way a product of Saudi-financed radical religious schools and Pakistani ISI as all the US (and Saudi) funds were channeled by the ISI to the parties they favored since they had their own agenda of controlling Afghanistan (which again was at least partly a consequence of Daoud’s Pashtunistan policies). Once the Soviets left (1990), the US lost interest and when the Soviets finally cut off all aid to Najibullah (1992) and his regime was quickly defeated, the ISI continued to support first Hekmatyar’s forces against the new government spearheaded by Massoud (who was also trained by ISI before the Soviets came, but wanted an independent Afghanistan) leading to a devastating civil war and when his forces failed to take over the country, they switched their support to Taliban (1994) which then gradually took control of most of Afghanistan (with only Massoud remaining against them).
Back on topic, the regime has entered the Al-Assad neighborhood of West Aleppo as well and heavy fighting seems to be in progress together with Russian CAS.
They tried to support elements of Al-Nusra, it didn’t work out as they hoped. Now they complelty winged it over the the Kurds. Just watch some of those youtube’s with the Kurds. Look at all the material they received from US.
What do you suppose will happen with the Kurd’s once US drops out for whatever reasons, those Kurds will be left hanging dry.. just as any other time and place world wide where US are involved.
Well, they’ll be forced to compromise with other groups once IS (as the main threat to US) is gone, but you’re presenting it from the wrong way around – without the US support they would have lost most of their Syrian territory to IS.
History is full of examples of major powers making a deal or simply cutting their losses and leaving their allies behind (e.g. Soviet Union in Afghanistan, France in Algeria, etc.). The Kurds certainly have a rich history of such examples (e.g. Iraqi Kurds with Iran and partially US later on several times), but also of tribal fighting among themselves.
First part true, second part not so much. Al-Nusra came out of AQI just like Da’ish. They were trained by and sheltered the Khorasan group who were straight up Al Qaeda terrorists tied to leadership in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The ideological break between Al Qaeda and AQI led to Al-Nusra rejecting the control of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. The two groups even fought each other in Syria. Al-Nusra is/was more of an offshoot of Al Qaeda in terms of beliefs, Daesh came out of AQI with it’s far more violent ideology and toward treatment of Shiite and those Sunni that do not support them. But terrorists they are whatever their current name.
IIRC, they fought because AQI moved to Syria and demanded allegiance to al-Baghdadi and many groups switched sides to what became IS, so Al-Nusra had to fight for survival. One major difference between them might also be that AFAIK they have no published goals outside Syria (at least for now) and most of their key personnel are locals.
update
The second rebel offensive seems to have fizzled out completely (though they still hold the Al Assad neighborhood of West Aleppo taken in the initial push). What’s more, the regime forces managed to take back all the rebel gains (e.g. Projects 1070 and villages south and southwest from it) from the first offensive months ago which broke through to East Aleppo temporarily. They are also slowly reverting the rebel gains from the recent Hama offensive which captured a large pocket. Not sure if the rebels are regrouping after the losses at the failed Aleppo offensive or preparing another offensive somewhere else.
In all of this discussion about exactly at what weight the Su-33 or MiG-29K can take off from Kuznetsov, nobody seems to factor in the unique ‘holdback’ system used.
What’s there to factor in exactly? There is an allowed maximum take off weight for both aircraft (which probably depends on some parameters such as temperature, winds, ship speed, etc.) off the Kuznetsov that is being inquired about. Obviously, the flight deck physical parameters (take off lengths, ski jump, etc.) are already inherently present in those numbers.
The aircraft does not begin its takeoff run from a standing start – like a Sea Harrier – but is held back by retractable ‘fingers’ that rise from the deck in front of the main wheels.The engines are run up to full power and when at full thrust, the ‘fingers’ retract, immediately releasing the aircraft up the ski ramp.
I’m no engineer or aerodynamicist, but the kinetic energy built up during that holdback and run up must be quite significant – and when combined with the ‘extra’ force provided by the ski jump, clearly adds to takeoff thrust available – over and above that provided by just the aircrafts engines alone???
Can anyone comment on the amount of kinetic energy added by such a sytem ???
The Sea Harrier doesn’t have afterburners and such twin-engine thrust so brakes are probably just barely enough until the take-off thrust is achieved (plus it vectors off part of its thrust during takeoff as well). So, these holds and the ski-jump on Kuznetsov are more of a necessity to be able to launch these aircraft with any useful loads rather than an additional feature.
But, we’d probably need the flight manuals for such information in detail.