Seems to me that the missile exploded on impact without any hollow charge gizmo activated (hence the bright orange fireball). Perhaps this was due to either a missile malfunction or the effect of an active counter measure.
Hollow charge? On a MANPAD? AFAIK they’ve got fragmentation warheads, no?
Edit: Most have a dual effect warheads with a directed blast (I guess you were referring to this) and fragmentation effects, but I’m not sure if they’re actually commonly referred as “shaped charge” which is commonly used to describe the HEAT weapons where a thin jet is formed (which is not exactly the effect you’d want against aircraft).
Apparently it’s a Smerch:
http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2526615&postcount=13872
I thought it looked like cluster munitions as the explosions were rather small, scattered and numerous rather than heavy missile strikes which produce a much bigger smoke column.
The Mi-8 shot is interesting. Apparently the missile went straight for the engine. I’d expect the crew have extinguished the fire and switched off the engine because, as tiny as those warheads are, the explosion looked dead on and there was some trailing smoke afterwards (or perhaps it’s the extinguisher vapors?). Lucky crew for sure.
Some newer variants have added armor protection for the engines, but I didn’t see any reports of Syria receiving them. There’s also the possibility that they might have been added recently as a field mod by the Russians given the significant losses to MANPADs?
Anyway, I haven’t seen on the BBC footage of burned out Russian supplied Syrian tanks. Also I don’t know how complex ToW is to learn to operate.
There’s plenty of videos on youtube showing TOW missiles hitting Syrian armor so obviously it’s not that complex to operate (even some posted in this thread). I haven’t heard about any new tanks – AFAIK, they still operate those bought in the 80’s, although apparently those 300 T-72A’s delivered after 1982 were upgraded to the AV standard (with Kontakt 1 ERA) during the 90’s. There’s an interesting article on Syrian T-72’s here.
http://spioenkop.blogspot.com/2014/12/syrias-steel-beasts-t-72.html
But, to add to what was discussed before, e.g. some of yesterday’s Russian strikes were aimed at an FSA group in Latakia killing it’s commander. Now, this is presumably not an Islamist group, but they still get grouped as “Al-Nusra” by the Russians just because they are a threat to the Russian bases in Latakia.
I actually think it makes the job a lot easier. If you’re working with Salafist groups, then you’re a Salafist, simples, and it’s fairly clear that Assad is the only major non-Salafist/terrorist player in Syria.
While I can understand how this ‘black and white’ simplification of the world certainly makes it easier to comprehend complex situations, I think it’s also very dangerous and easily abused (e.g. the invasion of Iraq).
They grouped them together because they grouped themselves together, as you said in post #1172 ref. “Army of Conquest”. Only takes a single drop of poison to taint a chalice.
The thing is that the Army of Conquest coalition are not the only group there. Admittedly, it’s hard to get a clear and objective picture of the situation from the media with the various external perspectives and agendas, the ongoing radicalization of the rebels and allegiance changes, but generally, by drawing them all together as terrorists and bombing them, it will weaken any potentially remaining non-Salafist groups and make Al-Nusra and other Salafist groups that much stronger which is the situation the regime always wanted to have.
Which is a correct grouping, since Al Nusra is a terrorist organisation, hence you can’t arm or support them without arming and supporting terrorists. Surely that should be obvious.
The fact remains that the Russians grouped them all together because it suits them to do so. Arguably, some if not most of these groups included share common ideology and similar goals now, but the situation is more complex than that.
I did read in the July 2015 issue of Combat Aircraft that they were currently limited to Mach 1.5 because of canopy glazing issues, so maybe the treatment fixed that.
That would be my guess too, but as I recall there was also mention of new canopy production, so I’d guess these are newly produced, rather than “treated”. 1.5? I think it was 1.8, but could be wrong.
So to all intents and purposes it’s really Assad vs ISIS and Al Nusra, since none of the other players are significant enough to warrant consideration. is the bit in the middle of ISIS territory FSA or just a lake? It’s a lake, just looked at a map.
Not exactly, they have seemingly grouped all the Islamic rebel groups (like e.g. Army of Conquest of which Al-Nusra is a part of) under the common moniker of that terrorist group.
I would be much more interested about tthe significance of the other sign, above all the RED and BLUE arrow pointing downward: airstrikes?
So why two different colours?
They are showing Russian (red), US (blue) and French (green) air strikes.
Can they just divide the nation into area they hold , its unlikely even if some one comes to power they can unite back the Alwaite , Sunni and Shia and Kurds to stay together. Looks like a far bigger and deeper mess than Libya.
While I can see that as a likely option for Iraq given the current Shia regime stance, I’m not sure Syria can be easily divided because it’s not really clear what would be the dividing parties. The Kurds are clear, but the Assad regime held area contains Sunni population as well. Even in Alavite Latakia, there are supposedly 2 million Sunni refugees. And the regime holds pretty much all the major cities (or at least parts like in Aleppo) except Raqqa under IS control (and thus a significant part of the economy or at least where it used to be). So, it’s quite possible that a significant number of Sunni population might not like to live under Islamist rebels and especially not under IS. And it’s not like you have the situation ripe for some kind of popular vote.
One possible solution would be for the current regime offensive to consolidate the position of the regime in a way that Turkey and Saudi Arabia realize that their proxies won’t be able to win decisively (at least not without them confronting the Russian expeditionary force) and thus advise them to go to the negotiating table. If they could struck some diplomatic deal and then kick the IS out, that would be a start. But, I’m not sure how willing are these Islamist rebels to compromise, especially in the long run, but on the other hand, without external support they might not have a choice. So, the ball is on the Saudi and Turkey side I think (unless the current regime offensive collapses and rebels are somehow able to mount a counterattack despite Russian air support).
Are they guided?
BetAB-500 surely not.
It`s available in the Ka-52, which a lot people say its superior to Mi-28
It supposedly is, but they didn’t bring those, did they?
Perhaps their units are not ready yet for operational deployments? If I read correctly, by the time the Ka-52 started arriving to units in 2011, there were already two dozen Mi-28N’s in service. And they keep changing the equipment fit (e.g. there was a new smaller optics turret presented recently).
But who knows what their plans are, they might still bring a few later on to take the opportunity to test them operationally.
Well thats nice, but DIRCM and MAWS are more important for that theatre of operations
I’m sure that they would appreciate having those, but is the simple “it’s not available yet” too subtle somehow? 🙂
Without resorting to idiotic conspiracy theories, why on earth would Ukraine be firing SAMs? The Russians hadn’t given the rebels and aircraft. It was the Ukrainians that were regularly losing aircraft to SAMs.
You’re not suggesting that perhaps pro-Russian rebels (or whoever on their side) downed it thinking it was another Ukrainian An-26/30 recon plane which they shot down a few days before (flying well above the MANPADS limit)? That makes no sense since it’s obvious that it was done by the Ukrainian side who decided to risk all their international support essential in this time of crisis just to implicate the Russians and give them extra bad rep internationally in case the Crimean takeover wasn’t enough for some of those nations.
The optics are a huge improvement over ancient Raduga.
To date it does not have full DIRCM suit, just RWR and LWR.
It should also be more maneuverable and better armored, with heavier weapons load and better sighting/targetting systems and their integration, including the HMS (I can’t find any reference that the Russian upgraded Mi-24’s have those), not to mention the turreted 30mm gun and a lower heat signature.
The DIRCM will come with the Mi-28NM IIRC.