With all due respect/regards to the ordinary Britons…., I didn’t knew UK was such an important player in the world stage. 😉 Its an insult to the American power that a UK vote made the difference. Tail wagging Dog?
Usually, US administrations prefer to have some allies participating as it makes it an international operation then so the potential for backlash is lower and it’s easier to convince their public/congress to support it.
Russian reflex , hiting the wrong targets !
It’s really unexpected given the fact that ISIS is not threatening Latakia.
Just looks like an S-300 engagement radar, probably 30N6.
How do you figure that? The S-300P radar is mounted centrally as far as I can see, while the thing on the photo is mounted at the back and seems much longer (taller) than the radar is.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/hundreds-isis-killers-give-up-6542752
Supposedly the US airstrikes are disturbing the cash flow within the IS territory..
Was the R-60M range a big issue ? I mean it was much shorter range than the AA-2-2 advanced atoll missile
I would expect so as the MiG-23ML(D) is still not a great dogfighter and the missile range is rather limited from the rear hemisphere, while its small IR sensor also has supposedly rather limited if not practically useless front hemisphere lock-on capability. The development of the R-73 would indicate so since it has a much improved range and an all aspect seeker which would be much more useful to the 23’s (or any plane for that matter) than the low minimum engagement range of the R-60 series.
I think that despite their “moderation” they are quite close to ISIS, especially due to a common enemy.
I wouldn’t go that far – while they (e.g. Army of Conquest and IS) are both Islamist groups which have different visions of Syria than would have been preferred by the West (i.e. they are not secular), I don’t think their visions and goals are exactly the same and thus don’t see them directly cooperating in the near future unless they are facing defeat (e.g. if one group gets defeated/absorbed by the other or there’s a massive Russian ground involvement on the offensive). If they both manage to sustain their expansion, I’d be more inclined to expect them to clash sooner rather than later.
Wouldn’t it be better to equip the Mig-23 with 4 x R-24 missiles as they would give them longer spear to deal with the sidewinder armed opponents esp when the IR version of this version was essentially a fire and forget weapon
You can’t fit four of those on the MiG-23. The subsequent MiG-23 variants (ML and MLD) which carried R-60M missiles had improved their maneuverability as it was expected by then that they will have to get involved into close combat as well. In that light those missiles make sense as they are more maneuverable than the R-24T missiles. Besides, R-24T IR seeker acquisition is of limited range and best used for a rear hemisphere shot so R-24R makes more sense IMHO as you can truly use it to engage an approaching target at a BVR distance.
1. Britain didn’t want to create Israel where it currently is. Why? Well it just seemed stupid placing it where they’d be continually surrounded by enemies.
2. They were continually at war even before Britain and France carved them up.
1. Who would be “Britain” in that particular case exactly? Lord Balfour, Lloyd George, The Foreign Office, The Cairo Office, The India Office, local British military administrators, etc.? Everyone involved had somewhat different ideas, misconceptions and agendas about the matter which also varied across time. Mentioning one of those shot-lived ideas on the alternatives to Palestinian territory that someone in the government suggested at some point which the Zionists eventually rejected as something that “Britain” generally wanted or didn’t want is misleading, especially when in the end, the British government did in fact make a written promise on the Palestine and later on facilitated immigration of Jews to their administered Palestinian territory as part of fulfilling that promise. The British government did later realize the problems the immigration created to their administration of the territories and worked on reducing it to a halt, but it was too late by then (of course, the stubbornness of the local Palestinian leader, his subsequent connections with the Nazis and the Holocaust happening also contributed afterwards).
2. By ‘they’ you mean Arabs? Care to share some arguments to this “continuing war” in the Middle East during Ottoman Empire? I’m not an expert on the Ottoman times, but am aware of occasional rebellions against the Turks (like e.g. in Egypt in the 19th century, where also British and French were involved), but hardly what one would consider a “continuing war”, especially given the frequent wars in Europe at the same time. But, what’s your point? I never claimed that things would be peachy if Britain, France, Russia, later the US and the SU, etc. didn’t play their games over this territory; just that they made the initial stage much, much worse (and continued to do so till this day).
more detailed version
Russia will Bomb: ISIS, Al-Nusra, Kurds, Other factions. Pro-Assad
I was just wondering about this. According to some map I saw in the latest Economist magazine, Russia seems to be using ISIS as an excuse (like Turkey) to obtain an international public ‘license to bomb’ card since the main rebel factions threatening Latakia are not ISIS and not even Nusra (although Nusra seems to be holding some areas in the vicinity).
What is this mobile system in the background to the right? Reminds me of Patriot SA battery. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5656/21788874981_e6b2d6c911_o.jpg
Good catch. It resembles Smerch to me if it weren’t for those hydraulic “arms”. Doesn’t look like a radar (too long) or a SAM launcher (not vertical).
My own personal perspective on it is that western civilisation endured tens of millions of deaths to reach the point of being a semi-rational, secular democracy. It wasn’t achieved by people emigrating and it wasn’t achieved by foreign intervention, it was simply achieved by people dying for what they believed in for several centuries. Is that acceptable in the 21st century? No, but the Middle East is not in the 21st century and there are several billion too many people in the world, so they should be left to negotiate their own way from the 14th century to the 21st century.
Agreed that they were in a frozen state under the Ottoman Empire, but I feel it needs to be pointed out that while Turkey was (eventually, having fought it out) allowed to pursue it’s own course, Britain and France not only carved up the rest of it to suit their interests creating borders which for the most part never really existed before (and thus new nations), but also facilitated the creation of a permanent destabilizing factor in their midst (Israel) which not only put the surrounding region in a continuing state of war and arms race (the Cold War didn’t help here), but also destabilized the secular Arab (first pan-Arab, then nationalist) regimes (or practically dictatorships) as they proved incompetent to solve the Palestinian problem (among many other issues) thus giving an extra spur to the rise of the Islamist parties.
But, this is a very complex topic and would be an endless debate and OT so perhaps we keep it at that; I just thought your post lacked this historical perspective regarding some of the causes of today’s mess since you’ve said that they should be left alone to sort it all out, but they never got that chance due to various strategic interests in the region by some Western powers.
What I am missing with the Su-30MK2 is the qualitative jump compared to the F-14A..
It would be maintainable, cheaper to operate, have decent A2A missiles (rather than obsolete AIM-9 and AIM-7 variants though supposedly they can use the R-73s, too), some actual standoff and dumb bomb A2G capability, etc. The Su-30SM would be a smarter choice, but saying that the MK2 doesn’t bring much over those few F-14’s that can fly is a bit harsh IMHO 🙂
Just how much Indian systems are in the Su-30SM?
Are there any Indian systems present at all? I thought Russian parts were used and the French HUD which will also now get replaced with a Russian model.
That close together, without transponders, and radio silent, the radars on the ground generally wouldn’t be able to catch any funny business.
But, again, who says they were undetected? Just because this article says so, doesn’t mean much.
But can they even afford large investments into military aircraft now with their economy in shambles and low oil prices, plus the financial help to Syrian and Iraqi regimes? Given the strength of the Saudi air force, they would need to buy decent numbers to make any difference and then there’s training, maintenance, all new weapons, etc.
Journalist is Hassan Haidar Diab, the first western correspondent to enter in reconquered Al Qusair, enough as a credential?
I know who he is, but that’s irrelevant here as he himself states that this is the information taken from the Syrian state media, not first hand information.