Thanks Ant,
Just a small correction, I’m not involved with the RR Spitfire although I know John Hart very well & have been known to help out at Filton in the past & will do in the future no doubt, I was however involved with MK732 for some years, have worked extensively on TA805 fuse & wings & I am setting up work & bits for RR232 so I’m keeping my hand in.
I am fed up with some of the posts on this forum as they seem to be always so negative about things. I only came across this forum when I saw Ken Ellis a few months ago at North Weald, he suggested I take a look, well I have, most of which I can do without, Whenever anyone posts something a bit sensible being ‘In the know’ they get flamed! I’m sorry but you will end up with no one in the industry posting on here eventually then It may as well be titled ‘Rumour control’ because that will be all that’s left!
Cheers…………
Has anyone thought of the display given by the fighters of the BBMF? low G, graceful, well flown, gentle on the airframe, engine & crew, displaying the aircraft! mind you, they have had a few whoopsies but working on the hours flown during the year their accident average has to be one of the lowest around.
As stated elsewhere, the public want to see aircraft flying safely, no one wants to take the family to a show where there is a chance the children will see some one die, so it is up to the show organisers to come up with ideas to be able to sell tickets for a safe family show & If that means cutting back on aerobatic warbirds so be it.
The public, after all, fund the Airshow for the enthusiast to be able to go to in the first place! if only the enthusiast element went to a show then it would NOT be a financial proposition. So first & foremost keep the public happy & you will still have shows to go to, if not you had best take up train spotting!;)
Originally posted by Moggy C
I hate to be a pedant, but posting “Why do ‘aerobatics’ have to be flown by ANY warbird?” and “possibly a victory roll” in the same posts seems to betray a lack of consistency, or a failure to understand what the word ‘aerobatics’ means.Moggy
Quite simply Aerobatics to me is a sequence of manoeuvres performed one after another, a roll on it’s own although technically is an aerobatic move, It was quite often carried out on the home coming from a sortie (or so I’m lead to believe! I’m not quite that old!) displaying for 8 minutes with the whole time taken up by aero’s Is not what Warbirds are all about, Guys coming back from a sortie would be tired, hungry & possibly scared, the last thing they would do is a formation aero sequence!
I have to say that this is probably on of the most antagonistic sites I have ever been on, why do people take postings so personally? I have been around Airshows & aircraft for over 20 odd years & have never come across such whinging, people telling me what to do, people telling me I can’t do that or shouldn’t say that, WHY?
Some of you will be quite happy to hear me say that at the moment this is likely to be my last post to this forum. Next time I’m ground running a Spitfire maybe I’ll think of a few of you, There again, maybe I won’t.
Cheers……………………….
Just to add to the support of emergency crews around airfields, having been in the thick of two crashes & seen first hand how both the county fire brigade & a volunteer crash crew from another airfield coped with a serious aircraft ground collision & in another incident a crash & burn on landing, I would have the airfield emergency crew any time over the county crew, the county crew were, in that instance positively dangerous! that said, it’s really horses for courses & maybe the airfield crew may not be up to speed on a building fire, (but probably not far behind!);)
Originally posted by Learning_Slowly
This is not concrete but a rumour I heard was thatthe undercarriage clipped the bank of the motorway and then collapsed. Please don’t take this as a definate answer but just rumour that has circulated. As I said I think the damage was minor.
I.m hoping that is wrong as the photo shows the aircraft at 180deg to that I think, If it ground looped that can put an awfull amount of stress through the airframe. My best wishes & thoughts go to all at ARCO & to John Webb.
As to the comments regarding the media, I have to say it gets quite boring hearing moans all the time about the media not getting it right, maybe it’s time we all took them at face value instead of complaining all the time, They report what they hear & in a way that 90% of the population will understand without the technical bits & pieces that some of us understand through our enthusiasm for aviation, we are around 10% if that of the total population in this country so what right have we got to demand that the media reports these events in aviation enthusiast terms? Come on guys, get real, If you feel that strongly about it, offer to be the papers ‘aviation expert’ for your local area, if you know enough about it that way you can educate both the papers & the public but be careful not to baffle them with science!
I await the teddy’s at altitude!;)
Euro’s I thought!:D 😀 😀 😀
Originally posted by Yak 11 Fan
Isn’t a shock wave normally brown??
Not if you’ve been drinking all night in ‘First Left’ on Gilze-Rijen AB Iv’e seen a few exhaust rings like that me self! but thats another story!.:D 😀 😀
Just a quick yarn about the base,
we had a fly in there one weekend ‘The Iscar Rally’ I think it was called, anyway, It was part sponsered by a brewery so, they delivered many boxes of a brew called Corona I think, that you drink with a chunk of lime in the top of the bottle, as the visitors had to leave before dusk as to get back to there base airfields none of the brew was drunk! Boy did we have a party as we were living on the base!! I had some good times over there during the years I was with the RLNAF 😉
Bu99er, I thought that was a shock wave!!
Can’t be a Dutch Stag, it’s moving too fast! can’t see the coffee cup either!:D 😀 😀
Hi Roger,
Yes, there are quite a few on the base there, I saw many over the two years I lived on the base up untill Dec 2000.
Nice shot!
Originally posted by Willow
Also depends what you are calling an original part!! If you find an aeroplane now, do you count everything on it as original?A, Yes, you have to start somewhere
Many parts may have been changed in service. Has someone tried to restore it before?
A, I think if you are picking up someone elses pieces you have to start again
It’s like Triggers broom ‘3 new heads and 4 new handles and it’s still going strong’.
Willow
I think you are missing my point, a lot of Spitfire re builds these days have very few ‘original’ parts included in the re build, the rest of the parts are ‘new’ ie, made from either pattens or drawings, after all, you can build a new airframe around a set of data plates! so, what % of original parts do you need to build into the airframe before it becomes a replica?
Just a quick question, (before I go back in my darkened room) At what percentage of original part content does an aircraft restoration project change from being a restoration to become a replica??;)
Originally posted by sconnor
The pilot had just taken off and kept it low after retracting the undercarriage. Perfectly normal procedure as anyone who attends Flying Legends would have seen.It was not a low pass.
Warbird UK you are wrong.
Have to disagree with you there! It’s NOT normal departure procedure on take off to hold that altitude after take off, nor is it normal procedure to fly at people on the ground. There are three areas of stupidity here,
1, Air traffic for allowing the take off with people on the runway, if indeed this was shot from a take off which I doubt as I see no ground markings,
2, The pilot for agreeing to fly in that manner, especially in front of a film crew.
3, The film crew for positioning where they did.
All in all, fodder for the anti brigade, Not good for our industry!
No ! Not as I see it.
Why is it ‘poor taste’? Things happen in life every day, does that mean we have to waite for someone else to sort it out before we dare to comment? or is it just in aviation this happens?