David, If only life was that easy! I have to say that your post reads as if we should just let people do what they like, when they like & say nothing against their actions, So, do we also do away with the justice system as well & just turn a blind eye to everything? Not your normal level type of posting at all.
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PS Most of the folks who carry out the restorations have no control over who flies it. I think if everyone who worked for free stopped doing it then aircraft restoration would be greatly reduced.
Hi Mark,
can’t get the thing to play!
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Hi Mark 12,
This is a trend I’ve also noticed, that when there is some ‘inside knowledge’ that goes a bit deeper than who is meeting who & where and general grumble etc then the thread seems to turn off which I think can be a bit shallow, I would have thought that folks interested in Airshows & aircraft would want to know what made things tick, as it were, maybe, working in the industry I’m not really an ‘enthusiast’ in the sense that is displayed here.
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Originally posted by Ewan Hoozarmy
How many aircraft have caused the death of a pilot, rather than a pilot causing the death of an aircraft, especially in the display environment? Think about it……
Well, I’m glad to see someone has the balls to bring this subject up! The facts are there, look at the last ten years of vintage/warbird/old aircraft crashes, how many have been caused by mechanical defects & how many have been caused by the seat to stick interface screwing up?? It takes a good many people, some even working for free for hundreds of hours, to restore an aircraft to flying condition, It only takes a second for the pilot to reduce it back to possibly worse condition than it was before restoration. Nobody, It seems, has any thought for the restoration groups that have worked long & hard to put these historic aircraft back into the air only to have their work dashed into the ground through no fault of theirs, but, don’t blame the pilot or upset his next of kin by daring to suggest that their loved one caused his own demise! Come on people, wake up & smell the coffee, take off the blinkers & look at the facts.
To the innocent crews & the pilots who have suffered mechanical failures my heart goes out to them & their families but to the others go anger at the lack of respect shown to the people who restored the aircraft they have just thrown away while displaying themselves rather than displaying the aircraft. As stated, not all pilots are guilty of this but the records show a great many aircraft had nothing wrong with them when inspected.
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seen today!
Yes Bruce, you are right! we have two brand new in packing cases!
we are also looking at the fuel systems to cure the slow running as the Shackleton engines are setup to idle at a higher rpm than is required for the Spitfire.
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Originally posted by Manonthefence
Pauland the PR.XIX by Rolls Royce were both involved in fatal accidents.
I hope not! I walked past the PR.XIX not an hour ago & although the U/C is off for inspection it is still on jacks!:)
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Paul,
My sincerest regards to you & your family, I hope that the report will be public as there are a few un answered questions regarding the tragedy & I hope that changes will be made in the future.
Again, my thoughts are with you all……..
Hi Guys,
Maybe I can help regarding G-ALGT, Both the wings & fuselage are in advance stages of build, It will be worked at Filton where we have the RR Mk19. We are looking at using as many parts as we can from the original airframe & equipment with stringent inspection procedures & any that pass inspection will be used in preference to new items. We have probably some of the best inspection & test resources around at our disposal within RR both in Bristol & Derby. It will fly in early 2006.
Can I just add that, If a broom during it’s life has 5 replacement heads & 6 replacement handles is it still an original broom??
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Originally posted by Roger S
Wouldn’t mind to see a captured Luftwaffe Spitfire in the airshow circuit. Guess I am the only one, or not?:D
BW Roger
Maybe MK732 ?? but there again It’s not seen in the airshow circuit any more is it??
Does anyone know how it is getting on now it’s been captured by The Royal Netherlands Historical Flight?
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By The Way
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Unfortunately some don’t seem to see it that way!
If folks could see how much ‘What If’ goes on during an investigation then that might help. It is only by discussion & debate that conclusions are reached by investigation boards. I have attended Aviation enquiries both in the UK & abroad in the past.
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Originally posted by Robbo
Well put WarbirdUkRob
Thanks Rob!
Originally posted by Manonthefence
Its not about whether you can comment, but whether you should.No harm in asking the question though.
I don’t really understand that bit of your posting!
Why the hell should I not comment? Life goes on after all, There seems to be a feeling on this forum that anyone enquiring about an incident should not do so until an investigation has been carried out, Why?? Is it not human nature to be inquisitive? especially at the scene of an accident? but on here there seem to be very few folks interested in the technical side of things, I work in the Warbird industry & have to be interested in what goes wrong mechanically as then we can check items or equipment on aircraft we work on BEFORE there is a problem with them.
One of the aircraft I work on also has a Griffon engine therefore I have more than a passing interest in the accident. I’m not interested in apportioning blame on the pilot, after all, IF it was his error he has paid for it with his life & there can be no greater penalty than that.
I am interested to know what happened not out of just curiosity but professional interest to be able to do all in my power to stop it happening again. So, please don’t ever tell me I should not be asking questions when lives can be at risk!
What ever the outcome of the enquiry one life WAS lost unnecessarily!
Umm, I have seen the engine redtop so feel qualified to comment!
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