Come on! the engine nacelles are just the right length for V10’s:D 😀 😀
So, who is going to be first?
Snap David!:D 😀
Sorry guys, that is a RR Meteor tank engine, no good for Aeroplanes!
I’d like to see an owner with the bottle to paint a Spitfire in German markings! I understand that at least one was re painted by the Germans after being captured! (& maybe a German fighter with RAF markings!) Just to get a bit of interest going!
See Ya!
Guys, I’m not putting the blame on anyone here, I’m not being harsh either, that was not my intention, what I did want to highlight however was some background into how this situation could develope into what happened, & I don’t feel I’m to far off the mark. If you read what is written rather than what you think is written then there may be information to be learnt rather than thinking we are taking pot-shots at pilots/operators etc. Try to look at the greater picture than is at first seen.
Cheers……….
Re: Blenheim: Initial AAIB Report
Originally posted by YakRider
The intial AAIB report into the Blenheim’s forced landing at Duxford has been published.It appears that the right engine suffered fuel starvation because the cross feed was unable to pump fuel from the left tank during the left turn onto final.
YR
Copied from the AAIB report………….
‘Subsequent investigation showed that the right engine had failed through fuel starvation. When calculating the fuel required, the pilot had applied the consumption figures for a ‘weak’ mixture setting but had flown the flight with ‘normal’ mixture selected, consumption data for which was unknown. The investigation was unable to establish why the right hand engine had used more fuel than the left. Although fuel cross feed was selected, it appears to have been incapable of supplying fuel from the left tank to the right engine during the left banked turn onto finals.’
It says NOTHING about pumping fuel, read the AAIB report properly,
If you look at flying 1 hour at a weak mixture using say, 30 gallons per hour & you then fly with a normal mixture which will use say, 40 gallons per hour, it’s not rocket science to see that if there was 35 gallons at the start of the flight which would then give 5 gallons left in the tank on landing if you run on a weak mixture but if you run at normal mixture there is going to be a point near the end of the flight where the fuel will run out, add that to the possibility that there are not fuel pumps in the tanks to push fuel up hill in a turn you are only relying on the engine driven pumps which when the fuel level in the tank is low will only cross feed when straight & level, when banked in a turn there will be only fumes coming from the lower wing as the tank will have what little fuel there is up one end therefore the engine will surge & eventualy stop! There you have it.
Re: Spitfire Fueselage Plans???
Originally posted by Lancman
Could anybody please help this bomber enthusiast with a link to some decent plans for the fuselage frames of a Spitfire? Plans that can be used to construct a large-scale Spit fuselage section?Cheers!
What do you need & what for? I may be able to help.
Cheers
When you rig a real one there should be a small amount of droop but not that much I’m afraid! only about 1/4”
Great models though!
Cheers………….
The rudder info was from the other side of the runway from where I work (Filton), seems to have been some duff gen, sorry!:o
Cheers!………..:)
I thought it got sent home!!:confused:
Originally posted by Bruce
Geoff,I think your logic is a little out.
Yes, taxpayers paid for the development costs (British and French taxpayers)
(first time, the money from taxpayers)
When they were sold to BA for whatever it was then some of that development cost came back to the government. As BA were still government owned at the time, this was really only a paperwork shuffle.When BA were privatised, i.e. sold by the government, another chunk of money came back to the government. If Concorde was operated at a profit whilst BA was in govt ownership, then in effect it paid back some of the development costs (in simple terms)
(second time, chunk of money from public/taxpayers)
If Concorde was in profit in the privatised years, then BA got the money for their coffers.You can work out the operating costs from your 60% load factor above. If you know the ticket price, you can work backwards, and work out how much one flight costs, and from that how much it cost per annum to fly, if you know how many flights there were. For future operations, factor in the Airbus costs, and you should be able to see if it could be profitable!
Cheers
Bruce
So it was only twice that the public funded Concorde & not three times! I stand corrected.
Cheers………………………:)
It would be nice to have BBDG outside too for its arrival
If this is the Filton stored Concorde then you might not want to see it in it’s present state, nose, tail & most of the systems missing as I understand it.
I would be interested to know what the operating costs for Concorde were, hearing yesterday that the break even cost was 60% full anything over that they were in profit. I personally can’t see that the maintenance cost was any higher than say a 747, In fact, I would have thought as it is a smaller airframe cost should be less, as there is less of it! one problem of course is that where you can spread the cost of maintenance between 350 odd passengers in a 747 you can only spread it over 160 ish in Concorde.
It seems to me that the BA Concorde’s have been paid for twice by the British people, I could be wrong, the first time when the Government (tax payers) funded the BAC company for the development of the aircraft, the second time was when British Airways which I believe was funded by the Government (tax payers) at the time paid a large amount to the Government for the spares package which included the aircraft at £1 each so really with no capital investment they were onto a winner! Just thought of something else, If BA is a PLC then when it was floated on the stock market the aircraft cost must have been included as assets therefore included in the share price so public (Shareholders)(also maybe UK tax payers) paid for yet again! am I getting it wrong?? or is that 3 times??
Great pictures Damien!!
Concorde RIP
I have just watched the BBC2 Concorde program, very strange hearing the R/T saying that they were just passing over the Devon coast at Woolacombe then rushing out into my back garden to see it overhead me in Bristol then a couple of minutes later TV pictures of the same aircraft turning over London! try that in a 747! It then really brings it home how unique Concorde really was………..
How BA or Airbus could remove it from our skies is a mystery to most people, no one interviewed on the program could see sense in the reasoning behind it!
I hope both BA & Airbus are proud of their contribution to Aviation this afternoon!
Concorde, RIP
I think this is just another Government give away of our hard earned, we pay for something, It’s given away easy, when you don’t earn the money by hard work it has no value. Classic example was the recent war, what value has that been to the man/woman in the street? who paid for it? you & me, not the government, they have no money, only what we pay them in taxes. People rushed out to buy shares in the electricity privatisation why? when we already owned it! It’s very much the same for BA all they have had to do over the years is kick the tyres & light the fires (in simple terms) there has been no capital investment to re coup they didn’t have to pay more than a £1 so it’s easy for them to place the remaining Concorde where they want, the aircraft has no value, even less now as Airbus has pulled the plug on design support. I call it SHAMEFULL.