I hold the British preservation movement, the museums and the countless volunteers in very high regard however the scrapping of historic aircraft in the UK is shocking. Looking through a few photos from my trip from Australia in 1999 many airframes I photographed have been scrapped including
the Phantom at Waddington, Buccaneer at Marham and Sea Vixen at North Weald.
Sad to see Canberra TT18 WK128 scrapped, surely worth saving? (Les B may disagree!)
Now these two at Cosford (Consigment Of Scrap For Our Rainy Days?)
I realise not everything can be saved but surely the hardest part is getting them to a museum, once they are there it would be reasonable to presume they will be preserved. I won’t even mention the other Cosford scrappings over the years. The demise of Lincoln G-APRJ was probably not a matter of grave concern back in the late eighties but look how much the owners want for the pile of junk that remains. Don’t we ever learn? Duxford’s Comet and Convair might not have seemed significant back when the powers that be scrapped them but what about future considerations. We all lament over the post-war scrapping fields but isn’t history repeating itself? I can’t believe the number of airframes that enter the preservation movement and then seem unworthy of preservation and end up scrapped or burnt on a fire dump (Hasting, Valletta, Canberra, Lightning, Viscount etc).
At least Meteor VZ467 and Canberra WJ680 are now safe in Aussie hands!
You could be excused for wondering why is this in the historic forum?
The F-111 is our front-line strike aircraft…surely they aren’t historic!!!!
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However our politicians are doing their best to make them history!
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Enjoy the “pig” while you can, retirement looms ever closer.
Hi Bruce,
Moving Vulcans is not my forte but it has been done by others. Unfortunately no one will get to try on XL391.
I agree the nose gear etc was suspect and the airframe was not in very good condition. However I still maintain that the photos do not show any degree of major structural deteriation (other than that caused by the JCB!).
My point was that uniformed speculation MAY of put off a happier potential outcome.
The villian however has to be the money hungry previous owner and his lack of preservation over the years.
There where reports from many armchair experts that this aircraft would crumble and fall apart if an attempt was made to move her. May I suggest that 6 hours work with a JCB proved she wasn’t going to “fall apart”. I have studied all the posted images and fail to see any areas of great internal corrossion.
May I suggest that this forum’s posting of uniformed and speculative comments may actually of contributed to XL391’s demise by scarring off prospective purchasers.
I sincerly hope the same doomsayers don”t scuttle XH558’s chances.
In short can in future can we have facts not speculation about an aircraft’s status.
I came a long way from Australia to RAIT 1999 and was delighted to see 3 Canberras flying. (WK128, XH168 and WJ874.)
I am glad at least one has been saved!
Congratulations Air Atlantique
Hi John,
Great shots. Thanks for sharing them
Regards Martin
Here’s a little on the Australian Doves.
The ex-Rudge Air Dove VH-DHA (04514) has been exported to New Zealand. The rego VH-DHA has recently been appllied to a DeHavilland Australia Tiger Moth.
VH-ABM (04097) has been parked minus an engine for many years at Moorabbin Airport and could only be described as a potential candidate for airworthiness.
Riley Dove VH-NBM (04416) has been parked minus an engine for many years at Wallan Airport
In October 2004 I saw VH-DHI (04410) in storage at Redcliffe Airport Qld. This has been advertised for sale recently and I believe it is airworthy. (I think this is a Sea Devon)
Others currently on the Australian register are VH-ABM (04097) and VH-DVE (04420) but I don’t know their current status.
The 2001 register shows VH-DHQ (04533), which was also owned by Rudge Air and was exported to New Zealand as ZK-DHW
There was a recent post on derelict Aussie Doves
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=49631
Hi Glyn,
Details of VH-BLH from our website;
Construction No. DHA981
ex RAAF serial A17-546
Registered VH-BLH 01/66
Later N87677 (presume exported to USA)
Sad to report the Tyabb pair were scrapped in Feb 2001.
There is VH-ABM that has been parked minus an engine for many years at Moorabbin Airport
There is also Riley Dove VH-NBM that has been parked minus an engine for many years at Wallan Airport
The Queensland Air Museum has VH-MAL
In October 2004 I saw what I believe was VH-DHI in storage at Redcliffe Airport Qld.
re WT840
The nose-wheel doors of this Canberra are visible in one of the photos of XH174.
Well done Mark, I wish you well.
And if the Lancaster cockpit falls through there is always the MR31 nose at Camden that would look great attatched to a fuselage once again! (and uniquely Australian).
All the best,
Martin
Unforunately it today’s post 9/11 climate the activities of all airliner type aircraft will come in for much more public scrutiny.
There was a major panic a while back in Sydney when an USAF KC135 flew low over the harbour on a photographic mission.
Joe Public can’t tell the difference between military and civil so the worst was assumed.
Red faces all round an an appology from all concerned.
On a similiar thread a night-time F-111 dump and burn over Canberra created a similiar panic and resultant public outcry / RAAFapology.
As much as we love our aircraft they are often seen as a potential threat to the unaware public.
Some good news. π
Whilst not expending any of their own funds Albury City Council has agreed to the preservation of this aircraft and will support the formation of a trust to look after her.
More details at
http://www.alburycity.nsw.gov.au/news/ACC_News_23-Aug-05_1299.htm
Not quite out of the woods but certainly facing a rosier future than back in May.
I hope that the eMails sent by forumites to the Border Mail and the Albury Council have helped in some way.
Thanks Martin
It is sad to hear that the RAAF Museum is grounding the Mustang.
I wonder what its future will hold.
The museum already holds a static example (A68-137).
OK David Lowy get the cheque-book!
Cheers
Hi there,
That is a Robert Taylor Print titled “UNDER THE BRIDGE, He did it for the Β£iberty Β£oanβ
It depicts an actual event. On October 22 1943 Lancaster ED930 (A66-1) “Q” for Queenie VI, piloted by Flt. Lt. Peter Isaacson flew under the Sydney Harbour Bridge to raise funds for the War Loan. The newspapers reported βHe did it for the Β£iberty Β£oan!β
see http://www.adf-serials.com/2a66.shtml