Nah…
just me, then.
Jon
Is it just me?
Or is this photo a cut and paste-job?
To me, the lighting on the two are not much alike…
Jon
one can be a bit TOO keen……….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrO6MNvvSHE&playnext=1&list=PL909C04A3E1051C46&index=58
Seems it was NOT the pilots mistake but a hydraulic failure.
Jon
Crash site of A-20B sn. 41-3013 – South Greenland
See more here:
http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=27865
Good story – the squadron in North Africa had visit from a journalist from Life Magazine just a month before, so there are pics of sisterplanes on the Life homepage. Plane crashed on its way back to US – for maintenance or just because it was deemed old and unsuitable?
I have the official crashreport too.
Oh – and the landscape is stunning, and you are only an hour in a speedboat and 30 minutes light trekking from Narssarsuaq International Airport.
Regards
Jon
Thankyou Cranswick for telling us all about the plane – there is a poor damaged negative showing the other side where the codes are legible but thats all!
There are half a dozen shots from the day the RAF put on a show for the people of Copenhagen shooting up and sinking about 5 Bv138s.
Here are a group of Meteors and the JU 88 is one of a group being scrapped
One of the BV´s is on display at Danmarks Tekniske Museum in as-found condition. It was found when the bridge across Øresund was built.
Regards
Jon
Not historically correct either – but I would still like to put DB´s in them all…
Historically correct would be only to have the Buchons painted as they were in Franco´s Spain….To remind us of the Nazi-connected regime that remained in power while hordes of tourists from the rest of Europe massed at the beaches.
But that is not a very interesting piece of newer, European history – is it?
Jon
I have earlier shown this picture (and more) of an A-20 lost on its way to Alaska. Lies @ 10 km. south of BW-1 (NSSQ) on South Greenland.
Click on the picture for larger version:
I got a photocopy of the official U.S. crash report:
And, by sheer coincidence, Life Magazine had a story about the squadron only a month before- Check the serial on the tail:
Talk about a sister plane!
What I don´t know is – why was it brought back to the US? Was the A-20 obsolete by the time, and the plane brought home for melting down – or wuold it have been just for a thorough service?
The A-20, I understand, was not equipped with self-sealing tanks, like the newer Marauder, so were they being ditched?
Jon
Though I would undoubtly enjoy seeing it fly by – this is the same one that participated in shows in Denmark about 15 years ago, right? – when wieved on the ground I don´t actually like them very much.
They lack that evil, menacing look of the Bf´s, being all to rounded – and even sporting a little, selfexcusing smile in the radiator….and the bark from the DB engine, harsher, a lot uglier, but still promising the efficiency of a fierce enemy.
But right, it IS a piece of history to have participated in that film. Keep it as a Buchon.
Jon
Now I have this idea for a diorama at the RAF Mus.
That’ll be 250 railway sleepers, 1000 Sq. metres of membrane…;)
Mark
What is the story behind this fascinating picture?
Jon
Well, now I know this about the aircraft:
It was part of 47th Bomb Group/97th Bomb Squadron, and on its way home from action in Tunisia, together with two other Havocs and a C-87, which it was trailing when it suffered a high speed stall and crashed, killing its crew of 3.
I am going to build a 1/48 kit of the plane – does anybody has pictures from the 47th Bomb Group or 97th Bomb Squadron in Tunisia, winter and spring 1943? Or, faltering that, an idea where I can ask for the info? Modellers forae, ? I am making this post on Warbirds, as I presúme they could be a very good guess.
What I am looking for is especially its noseart, if at had any.
Regards
Jon
Powder coating – the worst!
I have exactly the same experience as all those unlucky TVR-owners. But only on a bicycle….The rate of rot was quite amazing, the frame rusted through in 3 years!
No, powdercoatings on outdoor applications were only in vogue for a very short time. The time it takes to get experience.
Don´t!
Jon
Very many thanks!
To all, especially Bager1968.
I have ordered a crash report, now it will be exiting to see if it provides any information I can understand.
The crash apparently found place in late april – wintertime or at best very early spring. Do I get it right that all 5 aboard was killed?
Jon
Thanks!
I don´t think the engines has more than 14 cylinders, and I think Marauders has the 18-cylinder Pratt & Whitney R-2800´s. The 14 cylinder engines and the small window is my main reasons for suggesting the A-20 Havoc, along with the rather long and slender ends of the engine-nacelles of which one is visible on one of my pics.
So…
I really like the idea of the red in the stars having been painted over, but now reappearing. That makes sense to me.
Can the number 3013 help with ID of the aircraft – and a story about why it went down? Are there any open sources I can rummage through in order to scavenge for information like this?
More pictures, no, not really.
I only have 2 pictures of a Harvard wing, that one winter came down from the icecap in a storm and ended up in some bushes just behind the Youth Hostel in Narsarssuaq…..there goes a story about 2 Harvards that succesfully landed on a frozen lake about 50 km. north of the base due to not being able to land in bad weather and running out of fuel. Before they were retrieved, the weather worsened and the were smashed by heavy winds. Apparently, the wing should be from one of these. One of the the pics I do have shows the manufacturers plate on the wing, if that helps in determination of the aircraft and possibly confirming the story.
I never took pictures from the dump, and I should have. Among the gems there was the frame of a light aircraft of some kind, a Piper Cub maybe, and the belly-bowl gun tower off a B-17, complete bar the guns. And the rather huge main landing wheel of a B-29!
There is a nice little museum in Narsarssuaq with lots of stuff from the base. Go there if you comes by.:)
Jon
Link to WiX for better pics of them including the red one
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=24720
Thanx!
Funny that 2 people should write about the same planes within a couple of days….
Jon
From Google earth…
Here you can see them, including a red one to the left…
Jon