kol

“again, i feel that this is an unfair comparision. the Su30s were design primarily with ground attack as its main emphysis, whereas the Rafale is an air superemic fighter first, and a multi-role second.

a better comparison would be Rafale V Su35/37 (or su27SMS at least), in which case it would most likely come down to pilot ability as the performance of the planes would be very similar.”

wrong rafale is a omni role fighter! first!

but if rafale and Su37 ares similar, so eurofighter have even not a chance to win a dog with Su37! right!

lmp

Phil Foster

we have a new friend, who try to speak french, and use my avatar!

British troops went into battle in Iraq without vital protective equipment because the Ministry of Defence was unable to deliver kit on time, a government spending watchdog said Thursday.

In a report on the armed forces’ performance in the US-led war in March, the National Audit Office (NAO) said body armour, desert uniforms and nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) suits all failed to reach troops on the frontline.

“The supply system was simply swamped by the sheer volume of equipment,” said NAO director David Clarke, who oversaw the report.

Some Challenger 2 tanks were fully armoured for desert warfare only 48 hours before they went into action, while tanks and other armoured vehicles never received their protective NBC filters, the report said.

While the NAO said the operation in Iraq was a “significant military success” it added that lessons must be learned, particularly as there had been similar problems for British troops during the 1991 Gulf War and Bosnia and Kosovo operations.

The NAO publication came on the same day as a separate Ministry of Defence report entitled “Operations in Iraq: Lessons for the Future”, which conceded that “some shortages of equipment were experienced”.

as about alliot Marie speech, that’s about Maintenance rate, who reached over 60%, not the disponibility of troops!!

France have the Nato larger troops in operation around the world with 37500 soldiers !
3 times more than british and 2 times more than USA!

ha ha ha

Phil or what hell else, who are using my name, and trying to speak french, lol!

we say “Antiquitées, poor troll!!

nice try

Hey, PilotHGT troll, try another name, and remove this avatar!

Re: Re: lkij

Originally posted by Steve Touchdown
Pr1ck…Norway in 1998…when you still thought that Rafale was the wind from your @rse after some spicy cous-cous.

Over Oslo

In a Norwegian HAS at Rygge AB

Stevie is limit nervous break down! when he miss of arguments he turn like this kind of same english acoholical wild life who can’t travel to football games without UEFA sanctions!

Steve, get us links of actual cold typhoon tests in norway,it’s all matter here, not a relic pic of traveling fat bugged mock up in norway!

Sorry about yours hopes, but LM is closer to the norway fighter budget than a soon third of order cuted , not operational already crashed, growing fat relic unable to take off for tests called “typhoon”!

and , i hate the cous cous!

lol

Originally posted by Victor
Plz, no one jump on me for saying this but doesn’t the fwd end (canopy and nose) of the M4000 have a striking resemblence to the F-15? Or am I just seeing things?

here to see the last Mirage 4000 model, lol!
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Christie-Mirage_4000.htm

Phily

I like the way you are talking, a bit of lonelyness, with the lost empire colonial! it’s hard to live,Phil i know!

so when you get datas , don’t take it at BBC, they ares a bunch of poor liars there! they even not know they ares saying!

100 miles, uhp uhp 182 kms! lol

ze French Missile Scalp EG “recalled by the british when they bough it Storm shadow” have a range of more than 250kms, Yes
MBDA avoid to get imprerial “ex french” old mesures in thier products, since france lead the global rockets european market, for 100 years! hey!

aim 120
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-120.htm

they quote 20 miles, but for the B version, the C is 30 miles Max

http://www.edwards.af.mil/articles98/docs_html/splash/apr98/cover/weapons.htm

they will not pass 50 miles, mainly due to the reduced weight and seize from the A to C version!

here the tvc Mica rated Mach 4.5 over 60 kms! Taiwan successfully shot targets to 70 kms!
http://www.mbda.fr/emicair.html

Now range is one thing, and not the most important required about a Missile!

did the AIM 120 will reach 100 miles, uhm, he even don’t reach 80 kms, i doubt they wil success wilth the same envelop!

Originally posted by Steve Touchdown
Morning, Arthur & Glitter

I don’t know why we bother…the guy is more than obviously a clueless troll. All of the links he keeps posting contradict not only what he says but also the previous link.

The Senat link he just posted is a brand new one and clearly says that five F2 will be delivered in 2004. Of course that’s still possible, if they get their act together, but it’s a best case scenario.

If you follow his Senat link to the rest of the document you’ll also discover that by 2008 there are only 40 Rafale planned for Adl’A. As recently as 2001 that number was planned to be 60. He can dismiss the Senat as a governmental body all he likes but the fact of the matter is the figures on their site have been proven to be correct.

If you also follow his link you’ll also find this:

M. André Dulait, président, a évoqué le futur coût d’entretien du standard F2 du Rafale, rappelant que celui du standard F1, déjà en service dans la Marine, s’est révélé sensiblement supérieur aux estimations initiales.

Enfin, il a fait valoir que les coûts d’entretien du Rafale F2 ne se révéleront qu’à l’occasion de l’expérimentation de cet avion, qui débutera en 2004.

Or…for us rosbifs:

Mr. André Dulait, president, evoked the future maintenance costs of the F2 standard of the Rafale, recalling that that of the F1 standard, already in service in the Navy, appeared appreciably higher than the initial estimates.

Lastly, it made the point that the maintenance costs of the Rafale F2 will appear only at the time of the experimentation of this plane, which will begin in 2004.

So basically, Arthur, we can put off our Mont de Marsan truffle hunt until 2004 at the earliest! 😀

Oh, but wait a minute, I’ve never been to France so I don’t know about that great spot by the gypsy camp to view the CEAM ramp 😀

Cheers

Steve ~ Touchdown-News

ha ha ha, in 2008 there will be 40 rafales F2 operational + the navy ones!

it’s alway better than A2A typhoon of RAF! hey, that they will see the A2G maybe after 2010! lol

as about CEAM rafale, look this
http://www.senat.fr/commission/etr/etrg031117.html#toc2

they have already 5 rafales F2! hey!

“M. Xavier Pintat, rapporteur pour avis, a ensuite présenté la situation des personnels de l’armée de l’air, dont le recrutement est satisfaisant, tous grades confondus. Il a évoqué le recours à l’externalisation des tâches d’entretien non militaires, qui permet d’affecter pleinement le personnel de l’armée de l’air à ses fonctions essentielles.

Puis le rapporteur pour avis s’est félicité de l’arrivée des cinq premiers Rafale au standard F2, qui seront expérimentés à Mont-de-Marsan, puis basés à Saint-Dizier, où seront constitués ultérieurement, en 2006 et 2008, deux escadrons opérationnels. Il a fait valoir que cette expérimentation permettrait à cet appareil de révéler son véritable potentiel, permettant à la flotte de combat d’être à terme réduite de 330 à 300 appareils, tout en accroissant ses capacités d’intervention et de combat.
“

as about cost

http://www.senat.fr/rap/a03-076-7/a03-076-76.html

“Le mécanisme de commande globale, expérimenté depuis 1996, vise une réduction des coûts des programmes d’armement. Le recours aux commandes groupées permet d’obtenir une diminution du devis par une économie d’échelle, et par un calendrier clairement fixé pour l’industriel constructeur. Une réduction de l’ordre de 5 à 10 % en est attendue. “

that the F1 was narrow highter cost, they still have 10% cut cost while development!
hey!

and Dassault build rafale at Argenteuil!

“Les ateliers de montages à la chaîne sont sécurisés et optimisés dans le cadre d’une opération spéciale responsabilisant les techniciens. Nous avons longé ainsi les chaînes du Mirage, du Rafale, et des Falcon, où nous avons pu apercevoir le Falcon 2000EX,”
http://www.ensta.fr/~tapage/re/visites/dassault.html

you have all wrong ! hey!

as usually!

and i have proofs you never spent times in a french Ba! so that’s life!