a quite ugly fat target of 200 millions bucks for more agility Foe!

*sigh* more bullsh1t-busting required…it’s too easy but I can’t be @rsed to be honest!

Au 1er janvier 2003, les effectifs de l’armée de Terre sont environ les suivants :

* *132 400 militaires d’active:

* *15 500 officiers de carrière et sous contrat
* *48 000 sous-officiers de carrière et sous contrat
* *68 900 militaires du rang sous contrat
* *65 500 Engagés volontaires de l’armée de terre (EVAT)
* *3400 Volontaires de l’armée de terre (VDAT)

* *11 300 réservistes
* *29 500 personnels civils

* *1200 fonctionnaires de catégorie A
* *3900 fonctionnaires de catégorie B
* *10 600 fonctionnaires de catégorie C
* *12 800 ouvriers

So the RAF has 108 Jaguars to be axed, eh? Who on Earth writes all this tosh?!

By the way, guess which country’s air force officials has been at Colt kicking the Jag tyres recently?

I guess Adl’A needs almost 70,000 personnel to fly the 600+ combat jets PILOTGHT imagines they have hidden away in caves in the Dordogne and Alsace-Lorraine 😀

For Papa-Lima:

I saw this posted recently, by a Swede, but am unable to verify it as the documents that the link leads to are all in Swedish:

Best regards

Steve ~ Touchdown-News

Blah blah blah

poor steve, he dream to live in a great country!!

in fact the effectifs ares 428 000 ! i missed the gendarmes, who follows the troops everywhere!

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/actualites/dossier/d156/forces-armees_services_01.htm

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/sga/actualites/bilan_social_2003/chap_1/chap_1.htm

and adla have 66 000 effectifs, and RAF 41 000, ha ha lol!
i count civilians army workers because they follows the active units abroad!

Whoooo, the british have the best air force, bluawww blawww!

JSF is overated, and the US have wasted amounts of mones and times on F22!

i mean, they will sanction F22 in cutting order to this beauty, to move money on JSF ****!

most ridiculous is the lapdogs US pet’s waiting thier “F35” at 35 million fly away, muwhahahaahhaha!

the yanks ares quite good to sell anythings, so they sold the war, they cann do with all!!

the worst is the british dogy dogy pets, will get JSF without cuts, even if the US don’t want to share sensibles datas about stealth systems, and this silly english will cut Eurofighter where the plane need a upgrade!

can’t undestand them!

Nearly a quarter of the RAF is to be axed, with the loss of more than 100 front-line aircraft, Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, said yesterday.

Overall, the Armed Forces will be reduced by a tenth in what the Tories described as “a political and moral betrayal”. Many ships and tanks will be scrapped.

In the line of fire: one of the four Tornado F3 air defence squadrons will be disbanded next year

The RAF is to be cut from 53,800 personnel to 41,000 and will lose all 108 Jaguar ground attack aircraft. A fifth of its Tornado F3 fighter aircraft are to go, plus its base at Coltishall, Norfolk.

It will also lose nine of its Nimrod maritime patrol aircraft and the RAF Regiment’s air defence capability.

The Royal Navy will lose 5,000 men and 15 vessels, including the Type 42 destroyers Cardiff, Newcastle and Glasgow, the Type 23 frigates Norfolk, Grafton and Marlborough and the hunter-killer submarines Spartan, Superb and Trafalgar.

The Army is to lose 5,500 men and more than 80 Challenger II tanks as part of a major restructuring in which all 19 single-battalion “famous names” will be subsumed into large regionally-based regiments, with the loss of four named regiments.

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Much of the detail of the cuts will not be given until later in the year when military bases and many helicopters will be axed.

The only expansion is in special forces, with a second regular SAS regiment expected to be created to cope with the amount of work the SAS and SBS have been carrying out in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Mr Hoon told MPs that 10,000 Ministry of Defence civil servants would lose their jobs as part of “improvements to military capabilities”.

He said the “rebalancing” was designed to ensure that the Armed Forces were “equipped and trained to continue to perform with success in the future those tasks which they have so admirably undertaken in recent years”. The forces had “enthusiastically embraced this process of transformation” which would “see a shift away from an emphasis on numbers of platforms and of people”.

But last night there was a deep sense of shock in the RAF and the Royal Navy, the two services hardest hit. A recently retired senior officer said both felt “the top brass have sold them out”.

Nicholas Soames, the shadow defence secretary, said the forces would feel “betrayed politically and morally” and the public would be “dismayed” by the “underhand” treatment meted out to those who had fought for their country.

All three services are below their established strengths and the Army and the Royal Navy will need to lose only about 1,500 personnel. But many RAF and MoD civil servants will be made redundant.

Defence sources said the calculations had been very difficult, with the Treasury refusing to pay for the redundancies that were an inevitable result of its failure to fund defence properly.

It is still refusing to pay more than £500 million of the money spent on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Ministry of Defence is in the grip of a major financial crisis, caused in part by its failure to realise the full effect of the Treasury’s introduction of resource account budgeting, which penalises it heavily because of the large amount of land it owns. It also over-estimated the amount it could save by making small cuts to large procurement projects such as the Eurofighter and the Royal Navy’s two new aircraft carriers. Both projects will continue but the number of the Navy’s new Type 45 destroyers will be cut from 12 to eight.

The angry debate that preceded the announcements had led Mr Hoon to warn the defence chiefs that any sign of dissent “would lead to them being shown the door”, defence sources said.

In a personal message to the fleet, Adml Sir Alan West, the First Sea Lord, emphasised the difficulties the Navy now faced.

He said that “clearly a ship can only be in one place at a time” and added: “I do not instinctively welcome the early disposal of good ships.”

Gen Sir Michael Walker, the Chief of the Defence Staff, told service personnel in a letter that “tough choices” had been made and that the numbers of personnel being axed were “stark”.

Defence sources said he had gone to see Tony Blair three times to curtail the cuts to levels that he and the other defence chiefs believed the forces would accept.

So contentious were some of the cuts that changes were being made up to the last minute. The decision to axe only one of the Scottish famous name infantry regiments was taken this week for purely political reasons to try to contain the angry reaction in Scotland.

The names of the one Scottish and three English regiments to be axed will not be announced until later in the year. The six Scottish infantry line regiments have been told to decide among themselves which regiment is to go, with the Highlanders the most likely.

It’ seems that tranche 3 will be cut!

passing 53000 to 41000 mean RAF will not get tranche 3!

so Hoon will take care to not talk about eurofighter before singapor bid!

but the issue is clear!

Whoooaaaaaaapppppsssss!

It’s a quite racist room here, as french man i’m a bit wonder that this incognito isn’t banned, view his falses and racists posts!

As french, dear racist little norow minded peoples, i assure you that french peoples would never speak german in any case, so resuming French history, with litle dates and battles to say that france never won a battle or and army glory is quite unfair!

look at Alsacians, who was germans while 45 years and alway spoke french, and while 100 years war, when french normandy duchy who ruled english “yes french language is more in english one than the versus” profited france internal war between Burgondy, Armaniac etc.. to anexing a part of france with english troops! the issue is that english lost all! can’t poi,ts the numerous batles where french knights massacred english ones! lol

so, the french ares so weak , though, the Grande Army won more battles than Alexander the great and Ceasar together, what a pr1k soldiers, isn’t it, kicking english ass while quarter a century! the only english glory was to place somes soldiers represanting 10% of the force already 2.5times bigger than French shadow army “yes Napoleon lost his grande army in russia” who won at Waterloo!
what a glory!lol

Now come back to 1940! lol lo l lol lol lol!

i like the way that english spoless mind, Amnesia claim french was cowards and them glorious, i don’t see why france whould get all parts of disaster, when spain and italy was fascist and backing Nazis, and that when Hitler invaded France he was already leader of the european tour!
amnesia is strange isn’t it, British was 300 000 while the battle of France, so almost the same as french soldiers, and i don’t see any glory in WWII for them! what that saved thier ass is called the Chanel!

Yes the lost of France was the lost of british army in fool! Dunkirk was the futur that waited british, they wasn’t able to fight the nazy in europe as french and others europeans!, look tha russian was almost losing and was saved by winter! so calling french cowards, when americans was speedy to sign a friendship with Hittler and with a ocean between the American’s weasel advanture was close for 3 years, till 1942!

pointing France as only loser, when USA, Russia, Britain etc etc etc all lost against the Nazis is quite biased, and racist!

Al alamein wasn’t a great glory, french british allies just won a battle against 2 times tiny Romel, and view the effort involved to do it, the only performing soldier in WWII was german, not british or Americans!
now American call D day as the turn of the war to liberate europe, how they ares biased, the turn was the russian army and the italy d day, where the 150 000 french soldiers was fighting since 1 year, Motecassino ?? remember?

so d day was a formality, americans point the fact of sacrifice of 20 000 soldiers, so we will talk about the 35 000 french civilians massacred by the Mac arthur and US stupidity, that Churchild tryed to avoid, because that wasn’t the germans who killed them!

at d day, 177 french comando landed at Sword, and hundred others SAS landed to recce operation the 5 june!
as saying that d day liberated French, is false, French liberated themselves, even Eisenhover said that French Maquis represented the works of 21 US divisions crossing through France! that they didn’t, after d day, all allies troup crossed to Ardennes to catch Germany before Russians!

they never took a feet under paris line, Paris who was liberated by the Free french, helped by 2th DB of Leclerc, yes the ally HQ not pointed Paris liberation as URGENT! so the french done the job!

While the allies was joining Germany via noeth of France belgium Holland, the 200 000 french troups of the 1st Army De Lattre de Tascigny was crossing france to liberate the 4/5 of France, after liberating Corsica, Sardaignia, Sicilia and Italy!

so claiming that British whon the war by themselves along WWII, lol!

they was just struggling to resist as Americans till Russians cruch the best German Units in the russian steps!

No more! resuming the WWII only in pointing the last year, or the d day, is quite biased and racist, Russians took all the hell that nether british and yanks had!

OOps, the allies never saved france, or liberated more than 1/4th on france territory, and more, Americans had a great gift of cowards they ares, yes, they was with arrogance trying to inpose a dollar and a governing unit! lol!

is that only we can wait from weasels, when i think that4 on 6 soldiers who won at Yortown was french, and that in the next year not a french soldier left in USA, these Pr1ck peoples just returned the honor, in 1944, anyway they done it more, look, in 1914 they signed their “neutrality” with the krauts, and in 1794 they done the same with europeans monarchs, living the only reoublic struggling alone!

it seems , and all historian from all parts, agree, if britain wasn’t a island, Germans could end thier Romel tour of Britain in 10 weeks!

So french ares so cowards, hey hey, history and truth is more equal for all!

as the best european air force!

the brits, of course they have the GR4, a 50% times grounded plane because fail to be reliable! don’t mess they have the harrier to replace the poorest plane ever build the tornado! saudi ares so deepressed about, relly, in the 70’s the british claimed he would supass the Mirage all the way!

sad, even in exercises the french pilots don’t want to waste thier times with this ****e!

so GR4 is so cool , while Kosovo, he coldn’t fly, bugs, so when he done he even not reached the M2000D strikes operabilities and sharpness score! but he wasn’t alone, F16, F18, F15 wasn’t too!

so what the best, if a fight a tribes with wood arrows, i will send GR4, at least those ones avaible, but if i have to fight a modern army, i will send first the GR4 lol, only to have a laugh! :p

So who have the european bigest air force, just look the score in Kosovo strikes and job! France just provided half operations of allies, without US!

well

“Soon after the 1956 war, the Israeli Ouragans were joined by Dassault Super-Mystere B-2s, SNCASO Vautour bombers, and Fouga Magister jet trainers. The V-tailed Magisters later became the first military aircraft built in Israel. Israel received its first Mach 2-capable fighter, the Mirage III, in April 1962. In the first dogfight between two supersonic aircraft, an Israeli Mirage III downed a Syrian MiG-21 in July 1966 over the Golan Heights.

In August 1966, an Iraqi defector landed a MiG-21 at an Israeli air base, providing Israel and the West with the first look at this Russian front-line fighter. The tension between Israel and its northern neighbor Syria was very high. Israeli pilots often encountered Syrian fighters in border disputes over the Golan Heights and the Sea of Galilee. One such encounter, on 7 April 1967, resulted in the downing of six MiG-21s by Israeli Mirage III fighters.

The aerial fighting was a prelude to the Six Days War. On the morning of 5 June 1967, all available IAF fighters and fighter-bombers flew low over the Mediterranean for a surprise attack on targets at front line Egyptian air force bases. Only twelve Mirages were left to defend Israeli airspace. After six hours of fierce and demanding air battles, the IAF commander Mordechai Hod informed his superiors that the Egyptian Air Force was neutralized. Iraqi, Jordanian, and the Syrian forces were engaged next by Israeli forces, which destroyed hundreds of fighters and bombers on the ground and in air battles. As a result of its surprise tactics, IAF fighters flew relatively unopposed in ground battles over the Sinai, the Golan Heights, and the West Bank.”

of course the MirageIII was **** compareted to Mig21! lol

and don’t write bull**** about exeptional israelies pilots, they wasn’t more trained than others!