Originally posted by Phil Foster
Not a well thought out article IMHO, it makes too many assumptions. We have heard all this before Ainu Man I mean what do they want us to do? Scrap the airforce? Throw in the towel? Are any of them really a waste of money?

Well only if they are never used in anger and at the end of the day if they are a waste of money they have, ironically, gone some way to paying their keep. Sorry that concept was a bit confusing. Stay with me on this. If they are used in anger then I hope that our enemies think that the Typhoon and the Rafale really are a pile of junk because then they won’t have the first idea what hit them until it is too late.

Do you catch my drift?

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well said Phil!:)

lol

that was in 2000! yes!

but in 2001 the TLP was 44 victories for the M2k!

and against F15, F16MLU and tornados!

more the german mig 29 was just humiliated at franco german exercises in 2002!

all that is confidencial! of course!

as about the victory rate against the F16 in dog fight!

it’s 95% in favour of the M2k!

greeks, taiwanese and arabians pilots will comfirm easily!

Originally posted by haveblue
Then you are blind. The JSF is a multi-role fighter. The F-35 will be what the F-16 is. . . only better. A lot better. Try and let some of the facts soak into that feeble mind before you shoot your mouth off about something you quite obviously know nothing about.

I know, it’s because the word “strike” is part of the expanded ‘JSF’ abbreviation. :rolleyes: Very solid basis of argument.

Don’t deprive a village somewhere of it’s idiot. The rest of them might come looking for you.

blah blah blah, the flight envelop of JSF was designed to strike, and not as multirole, it’s not because he can lanch air air missiles that’s a multirole!

Multirole mean that a plane shape and flight envelop is designed to top speed and T/W ratio at low and high level allowing efficient strikes and air superiority to the end “dog fight”, meaning that agility allow it to fight air superiority foe ones as flight envelop of typhoon and somes ares able to do!

so F35 was designed as a striker bomber! against last brand new typhoon or rafale or SU30 or F15 the JSF is a dead meat, each time!

“The F-35 is a GREAT bird, it will be one of the best multirole planes in the world in the futre, dont get me wrong but it has a few flaws”

the F35 is a striker, i don’t see where he will be multirole!

the super hornet is a multirole!

if foreigner want to buy the best fighter, they need F22!

the F35 is the next american illusion about little price with best product! all that from foreign found!

i blame the foreign who ridiculously provided JSF sensible R&D to LM, things that they ares no allowed to aquire ! lol

the megalomania of US admin is to make beleive that JSF have something to hide “secret secret”! 😎

http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040107170728.hrtzqgu2.html

“300 Chinese
scientists”

ha ha Nasa employ 60000 scientists!

and sending a little robots to mars is the minor issue of thiers abilities, in fact they ares more close to send peoples to mars than any others in the world!

if you want to attack the yanks, don’t blame them on what they ares quietly the best in the world and they don’t claim!

attack them on what they claim to be the best in the world, and they aren’t! i mean democraty abroad providers!

in 1994 dassault equiped a Falcon with on board cancellation systems, they crossed UK and all europe, i heard it on radio, not a radar have detected them on the road they was waited to cross!

they said to foreign authorities, they cacelled theirs flights !

but theses flights was successfull!

after they tested more , more flights in Rafale and Atlantic 2 planes!

all this is classified, the Spectra is more that a standard AEW system!

this shouldn’t be avaible for second market!

they did it ! them!

Mr pallinger, the morron brit fluk should be happy! hey

“Old relic ? But better detection range.”

what ****ing range get edge? give me a A2A Missile who have 100kms range in european arm stock?
of course, if mecanical was so best, why did all world 21th century fighters will get AESA, with a bit less range ?except typhoon! lol

Link16, lol!

Link 16 was developed by France and others countries, not UK! did rafale will get it? MIDS?
http://www.isoshop.com/dae/dae/gauche/sponsors/sponsor_rafale/img/fox3_2.pdf

i will answer , will typhoon get engines?:eek:

“I spoke of connectic troubles.”

ohhh, as steve you work for Dassault or you ares close of french pilots! 😀 😀