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December 19, 2003 at 2:02 pm in reply to: India picks Rafale M over MiG-29K2? #2685721

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glitter

“You’re tiresome
http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/1…04/a1114-06.asp

” à comparer avec 45 millions d’euros pour le Rafale monoplace “
45 millions for the more basic flavor.”

it’s right, this is the finencial law for 2003, when Euro was at $0.90 in 2002!

they talk about the cost for all Rafale builders and french state!and the the price!

€45m=$40m +15% removed nice price for french Mod= $34m

34millions average if you take all C and dearer M standard!
sharply, the M is near 39m, and C 29m….

YOU NEED PROOFS??
Aviationweek article to Dassault activities at Bouget 2001!
hey!

John Fricker investigations with Dassault Boss!

http://www.awgnet.com/shownews/01paris1/airfrm08.htm

“A prototype Mk 2 will fly by late 2003, with production deliveries expected from January 2006. Provisionally costed at $40 milion to $50 million each”

December 18, 2003 at 5:20 pm in reply to: India picks Rafale M over MiG-29K2? #2686437

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lol

“The rafael costs about $50-60 million dollars thats enough
to feed 3 million Indian coolies for a year! “

the french air forces bough Rafale C for $29m fly away!
the rafale M bough is 38m!
French MoD have a 15% reduced price!

the export Rafale MK2 M88-3 + AESA CFT etc… is at 47millions dollars flay away! but Dassault will purpose it at 100m if the client wan’t this price! hey hey!

December 18, 2003 at 5:11 pm in reply to: Czech Republic chooses Swedish Gripen fighters over US F-16s #2686441

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lol

“Wednesday to lease 14 Swedish-made Saab-39 Gripen jets”

great news, i have a BMW serie 7 in leasing! hey hey!

Saab cr@p isn’t ordered? only 14?

December 17, 2003 at 7:45 pm in reply to: Aviation is Evil #2687515

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yes i agree!

here is the truth!
http://www.idsia.ch/~juergen/planetruth.html

americans ares emperialists, who’s wonder?

they ares revisionist of the history!

Pearce did the first controled flight on a airplane,13 years ago ader did the first
powered flight in a airplane both without catapult and without crash!
the first powered aircraft flight was Giffard, the first flight was French too, even the first STVOL helos was french! hey hey!

and best airplanes till WWII was builder in europe!

the wright ares good for the american propaganda!

as the first filmed catapulted air jump in america:
ha ha haha!

December 17, 2003 at 7:26 pm in reply to: Rafale Price – Daylight Robbery! #2687519

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blah blah

“I’m amused that despite the fact the Austrian deal has been signed, the French are so desperate to sell the Rafale they are even trying to get a leg in at this stage.”

the french deseperate? lol!

austria bough fews eurobuggers because germans policy, not on the quality of aircraft, they didn’t tested others planes!

but there ares alot of bugs datas about typhoon here, the eurofight bugs fan’s should reprocess the exeptionals datas that consortium provided in the 90’s to get illusion of the best “fighter”, when the eurofighter buggy was a 9.7t airplane!

i mean supercruise, agilities T/W ratio etc….

ouuppss, today eurostuff is a 11,200ton plane empty!

eurofighter took 1.5 ton of weight because he was badly designed, the wings structures was reenforced and many stuff changed!

all that with the same engines!

supercruising mean that a plane can reach sustained speed over Mach 1 without afterburn, and that involve to have goo T/W ratio and engines power!

the F22 have enough power to reach Mach 1.4 without afterburn; rafale reach Mach 1.2 without after burn!

Typhoon? i mean when he was 9.7t, he could supercruise, but today he can’t!

as it’s very unrealistic from a plane who took 1.5tons in 3 years to see any TVC, TVC ares quite heavy “ask to the russian”
only TVC will need far more powerfull engines to power a plane 750kg heavier, the engines will be more heavy too, making the eurostuffy to 12.5 ton empty!

anyway TVC was to comes while late tranche 3, that will be cut!

at the Uk mod site, they not wait the A2G abilities before 2013! hey hey!

Rafale have a best T/W ratio, range , payload, electronics, radar suite, carrying hard points, seat, cockpit etc etc etc….

and he never crashed him!

as about stealth F22 stuffs, Rafale have system very ingenius called Active cancellation
!
“It appears that Thales has been working on “active cancellation” technology for the SPECTRA system, with the jamming transmitters picking up a hostile radar and then feeding back the signals out-of-phase to cancel out the echo from the aircraft. The French have been quiet about this capability and it is probably a future item. “
http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avrafa.html

the main F22 weakness is his bay and envelop design not really efficient, all designed around stealthness!

i mean, if you want to cheats foe radars, it’s better to do it with electronics than with the plane statics shape, that will never improve as software for electronics in rafale!

typhoon is a dead meat, even the 29° seat of rafale was specially designed for hight G manoeuvres with 2 sidestick, typhoon have a 18° conventional seat with the stick between the legs as 60’s fighter designs!

more rafale have a OSF, that typhoon haven’t, OSF with rafale sensors fusion will enable discreet following flying targets with his TV cam without the radar, all that while continuing SAR ground mission, and rafale will be the only one in the world to engage ground and air targets simultanously! all this was tested and results ares far over hopes for the DGA!

all that in 2005, of course eurofighter is far from this abilities!

typhoon will be the only one rated “21th century fighter” to operate a old mecanical antenna, a old flir system! hey!

i don’t know who is desespered to sell of fly fighters, but surely not Dassault and the french air force pilots!

rafale MK2 price $47 millions, typhoon $95 millions or £57millions
😎 😎

December 17, 2003 at 3:04 am in reply to: RAF Typhoon Guns? #2688041

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jpkj

In fact the gatling ares 20mm, but have a 6200/mn rate, it’s 4 times highter than the mauser 27mm, and the mauser even with more bulet weight can’t reach the gatling bullet weight/ratio!
the major weakness of the gatling is the delay and sharpness, as rotative machine who need to launch rotation engine to shot cicles of burst, this delay is 0.6s stop after the cicle is end, so very efficient against groud light personel or troops, but ****y against armored and aircraft!

the best gun who equilibrate the gatling rate with more heavy bullets is the DEFA 791B

this gun is a 30mm , 2500s/mm with explosives bullets that ares designed for armored and aircrafts destroy, it’s a monotube rated as the best in service actually! best because his coller system and high sharpness at hight rate!

here to see where he s’ located on Rafale!

http://frenchnavy.free.fr/aircraft/rafale/picture-020.htm
http://frenchnavy.free.fr/aircraft/rafale/picture-003.htm

i seen that the UK typhoon will be without gun, they said that was useless!
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200001/cmselect/cmpubacc/136/1011710.htm

did it’s true?

December 15, 2003 at 2:00 am in reply to: Rafale Price – Daylight Robbery! #2689812

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lol

OK the price of the Rafale is 47 millions fly away, the thyphoon is 98 millions or £57million!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5-853318,00.html
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/6229.html
http://www.awgnet.com/shownews/01paris1/airfrm08.htm

that dassault offered a cheaper price than typhoon to austria,
but had a great margin! hey!

that was without really hopes, the germans worked politicly before! as they tried with greece.

December 15, 2003 at 1:42 am in reply to: Rafale Price – Daylight Robbery! #2689820

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Re: Re: lol

Originally posted by PILOTHGT
No I am not Chirac !

France to Ban Pupils’ Religious Dress

Outlawing headscarves at school is persecution, say Muslims. Muslim headscarves and other religious symbols are almost certain to be banned from French schools and public buildings after a specially appointed commission told the government yesterday that legislation was needed to defend the secular nature of the state.
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Muslim headscarves and other religious symbols are almost certain to be banned from French schools and public buildings after a specially appointed commission told the government yesterday that legislation was needed to defend the secular nature of the state.
The 20-member group, appointed by President Jacques Chirac and headed by the national ombudsman, Bernard Stasi, recommended that all “conspicuous” signs of religious belief – specifically including Jewish skullcaps, oversized Christian crosses and Islamic headscarves – be outlawed in state-approved schools.
The report, compiled from six months of study and more than 120 hearings, also recommended that the laws should include a clause requiring “the strict neutrality of all public service employees”.
Some Muslim women had reportedly been insisting on their husbands accompanying them at all times in hospital and accepting only female doctors. The report said the legislation must remind all health service users that “it is forbidden to reject a healthcare worker, and that the rules of hygiene must be respected”.
In a gesture of respect to “all spiritual options”, however, the report said the Jewish and Muslim holy days of Yom Kippur and Eid should be made official school holidays, and companies should consider ways of allowing employees to take off the religious holiday of their choice.
Mr Chirac, who hinted last week that he favoured a law protecting France’s lay republic, said he would make his decision known next week.
“I will be guided by respect for republican principles and the demands of national unity and the rallying of the French people,” he said.

Facism ? Yes it is the start.

It is you who adores le Pen I smell, not me.

ha ha ha, poor dumby HGT, what you ares claiming in a planes forum?

your francophobia is great! hey hey!

France separated the state from the religious for 200 years, as all republics, that’s life, in UK their ares comunauties and terrorist who ares free to proclaim islam around the world, the 9/11 was planned to london! and they ares at slaves statues! so it’s not a threat for the poor schools british islamists purpose to them!

you smell fanatism nationalist, when a labour turn his jacket to the neo fascists and lies plaggiarism and lie to his own peoples!
where is the Nationalism? Mr Blair and friends! hey!

LACKEY LACKEY LACKEY!!!

December 15, 2003 at 1:33 am in reply to: Top 5 World Airforces in 2020(General predictions) #2689823

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Re: Top 5 World Airforces in 2020(General predictions)

Originally posted by Srbin
Been doing some research but I think it is clear that in the future we’ll know how the Top 5 Airforces will shape up

It is unclear how things will turn up by 2020 but we can predict.

Most of these are unclear in exact numbers but should be somewhere around there

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??? unsure how many
+ probably more/possibly more
– probably less/possibly less
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1) United States
-340+- F-22 Raptors
-2500/3000+ F-35s(IF all delivered by then)

2) Russia
– ??? Su-34s(unclear, sopposed to replace Su-17s/24s/25s, Mig-27s, Tu-22s/142s all in Russian AF and Navy)
-??? PAK-FAs(intended to replace Mig-29s and Su-27s)
Note: Su-34, PAK-FA and Yak-130 are the 3 main Aircraft planed for the Russian AF in the future, this means no Su-35s/37s probably

3) China
-??? Su-30MKK Flankers(possibly/anywhere up to 700)
-Anywhere from 200 to 1500 J-10s (a Sukhoi leak said AT LEAST 1200-1500 planed)
-Posssibly/At Least? 200+- J-9s(FC-1)
-??? J-12(sopposed to phase out most of J-9s/10s/11s[Flankers], though not all at once but)
Note: Given China’s large economy by then and superpower status expect China to build TONS of aircraft.

4) India
-200 LCAs+-(probably will enter service around 2006/2010/2012, geting mixed dates from everyone/everywhere)
-??? MCAs(very unclear but MCA will probably be around the corner in 2015-2020 and might replace all of Indian Airforce, though not all at once, but very slowly, and it is unclear when the MCA might enter service, judging by India’s lateness with LCA)
-260 Su-30MKI
-??? PAK-FA(India is already financing it)

5) Great Britain
-230- Eurofighter Typhoons
-150+- planed F-35s
-??? FOAS(should be entering service around 2020, its possible that it might not be developed)

5) France
-300 Rafales

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Other random ones we’ll know how they MIGHT turn out by 2020

UAE
-90 M2Ks
-80 F-16blk 60

Germany
-180 Typhoons

Sweden
-200 Gripens

Turkey
-at least 150+ F-35s

Greece
-60+ EF2000s, at most 90
-F-35s probably

Japan
-100+ F-2s
-possibly F-35s
-possibly next generation Japanese 5th generation plane

Pakistan
-150+ J-9/FC-1/JF-17s
-??? ?????????(something probably more advanced than the FC-1, possibilities are Rafale OR J-10, numbers unclear)

Italy
-120 Typhoons
-Possibly F-35

Spain
-80 Typhoons
-Possibly F-35s

Australia
-At most 100- F-35s(to relace F/A-18 Hornets and F-111s)

Austria
-18 Typhoons

Canada
-??? F-35s(to replace CF-18 Hornets)

Poland
-48 F-16s blk5-/52
-36 ??????(to replace Mig-29s and Su-22s by 2010/2012)

a good fantasy is alway good, the LCA is a great ones, the 232 typhoon too , if they got 130 typhoon that will be a great stuff!as the 150 JSF for a country who will operate a likely tiny CVF able to operate 20 JSF at best!

India with 260 Su30 , ha ha ha! lol

350 F22 ha ha ha, they planed 254, and it will be more close to 150!
http://www.counterpunch.org/f22.html

December 14, 2003 at 6:10 pm in reply to: 100 years of Aviation. #2689954

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lol

Wright brothers never was the first, it’s good for the americans but thier planes was a copy o liethental gliders!

and he was powered plane, they used catapults to launch the plane!

here ares the real aviation designers!
http://www.idsia.ch/~juergen/planetruth.html

and till WWII, france was the world first planes builder, in all planes, engines etc….

December 14, 2003 at 5:06 pm in reply to: Rafale Price – Daylight Robbery! #2689985

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lol

“Yes sadly Rafale is same as French automobiles – overprice and value is almost half by the time you get back to your house

EF2000 is more like BMW, Aston Martin, Mercedes, Bentley, Daimler, and Rolls Royce.

Beauty sadly fades fast but class remains toute temps

Our wine is nice but we bow to Saxon-Angles for prowess engineering et design

**sigh**””

hey HGT, little troll ******* who try to get my name, take a bath!

Prowess engeneering and design

http://www.flightinternational.com/FALANDING_159126.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2499783.stm

“BMW, Aston Martin, Mercedes, Bentley, Daimler, and Rolls Royce.
“
muwhahahahahahahahahahahahhahaahahahhahahahaha, great roll royce engines, did BMW build the breaks who caused this
http://www.catiaworld.com/lang1/mem/news/arc/_disc1n/00000469.htm

more about the great british engeneers,
http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws002/theobserver04.htm

they will buy the Famas?
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/07/05/uk.rifles/

need more about engeneering british poverty?

they ares so poor that they ordered this in France, from French engeneers!

did you think that the world greatness mars mission as quoted by British Peoples and press, in fact the tyniest of the numberous futur mars mission, do you think that will be lauched by the french engeneers in french guyana?

or did the british will use the french technologies at french leaded ESO VLT mission on the bigest earth telescope????

OPPss i forget, about french cars, PSA and Renault ares in the top 3 in europe, and top 5 in the world!

Where stand rest of the poor UK autoindustry ROver? remember that germans called “the english patient”?

MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, HGT you ares a Troll with accent of fascism, nationalism and jalousy of the French!

LACKEYS LACKEYS!

December 14, 2003 at 3:27 am in reply to: rafale vs su-30mk #2690114

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troll alert

Hey tiny troll, qui n’est meme pas français, fils de pute de merde!

Vas donc voir ta mere, elle suce un singe, et ta soeur la pute se fait mettre pas un chien!

“My Troll friend talk nothing but trash and he know it ! Look how he lies about France, even our language !!””

hey HGT, or steve, pls, take a bath!

“Truth is, with so many other things, we threw our baby toy out of buggy because we are so arrogant we think we are always right in everything !!”

a englishman saying in his french “personality” that french ares arogants, is quite humourous, even for a troll!

“Believe it that my Troll friend think that you all around the World listen to French pop music like we do, speak French in every school worldwide, watch all our films and tv shows !! We think we still important country like we were 200 years past !!”

ooppss, French sell music all around the world, as movies “france is second world exporter”, in every school there ares french lessons, and french is the second language learned in USA, and the international language!, as about all movies in france ares in french language, and french movies cover is 60% in french language countries!
who matter what french think, the facts ares that France is a enough power to block the neo fascists at World stage, proving that france have more influence across the world than US of A, hey!
showing all britain and friends as lackeys, lackeys of the evil!

“I say non !! We spend 10% of defense budget on independent nucleaire program !! I ask you why !! just so Troll stupide like him can say we have it !”

10%, uhhh 25% is for deterence! and we have it to erase 6 times the north america! live with it, your lackey brits with 3 times less nuke need to ask the “keys” to use it! hey

“If we wake up and smell the coffee embarassing Troll like him should know we are lackey too but to small countries like Luxembourg and Irish Republique for to pay huge subsidies to our bad agriculture and industry !”

ha ha ha, Britain paye nothing in europe, they have a “deal”, and france is the second money european provider, and spain and uk the first incomers! live with facts and truth!

LACKEY!

“lol he also ignore that my taxes go to pay huge subsidy for many, many years to disater called Air France that should have died in 1970s !!! It has no competition here in France but still make losses year on year on year ! I lose count how many times they come with begging bowl to us for more tax money !!”

air france disaster? it’s the most profitabable compagny in europe! hey hey, jalous???
as i don’t see any money comming from your country, because you get more money from EU than you give!

live in dream LACKEY!

“What BA buy is BA business: private company owned by shareholders not propped illegally up like dead duck Air France !! who also have B777, B737, B747 all new !! lol fool “

air france have a bigger turn over, and far more aircrafts, and lose less money than BA! KLM was happy to merge with them!
in 3 years BA will die, because US raptors holders will run away when they will see lost cost eating them quicly!http://www.cnn.com/2002/BUSINESS/05/20/ba.loss/

“I think Troll he not even know that BAE Systems is already company 50/50 US/UK !! Poor poor fool !! Companies UK even doing latest upgrades to Trident fleet of both countries for $$ millions !”

UK/US shareholders, lol! that don’t mean that US gov will trust them about main contracts! and that don’t mean that US banks have the sector technologies to boost a bugged compagnies, that even UK mod don’t trust, Nimrod? astute?

What US compagnies who perform want to merger with this?
http://www.angloarabia.com/sinking.html
http://www.eetuk.com/bus/news/OEG20021212S0009

“It is they who laugh at us and he too stupid to realise he is taken for big sucker !””

big sucker ares guys who provide false datas or uncompleted ones to show the flag as you! brit troll!

December 13, 2003 at 2:24 am in reply to: rafale vs su-30mk #2690485

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wrong

“point 2. the French when they first started with the project wanted a Ground attack AC first!.. that was its primary goal! that was the reason they did not join the EFA program.”

wrong, very wrong!

Rafale was designed to replace 6 specialised aircrafts!

Dassault and France was interested to take 46% of the eurofighter, asking a lighter and more efficient plane in all role, a plane that could be used on aircrafts carrier!

thinking that futur fighter could turn STVOL country to buy european, and build CVN in cooperation!

the USA via british Lackeys just killed the progect, they was pushing to a superiority fighter with litle multy role abilities!

opening the door for USA multi role products who was under way!

Now Typhoon is a relic, Rafale is already more advanced, and Rafale have half the typhoon cost, you know the rest about cuts , crash etc..!

USA pressure on british to kill european project worked well, now the british will buy JSF, and all clients who was hoping to buy a european fighter will follow the british JSF cowardise!

British gov will not back typhoon, they ares too bannana to US influences!

more the BAe asked and ares trying to merger with USA “friends”, lol

americans aren’t crazy, Boeing refused, LM too, and General dynamics just humilieted the British in refusing too!

BAe is the most hilarious suckkker of USA, and americans laugh about it, i understant them, lackeys ares alway lackeys!

if european try to have another project, they will take care to not involve as main partner the british, as we done for Ariane, Airbus, Galileo etc etc….

as exemple of british interest in european project!

British airways bough his first airbus in 2001!

that give strong views of thier “europhily”!

more in 2001 the BA COE Wyatt said that the A380 was ireelevant, that BA wasn’t interested to buy this plane who will be hard to get more than 50 orders! he was at seatle with americans Gov friends champagne party! hey

Today A380 have 135 orders, and clients list ares growing hard! the plane will start in 2006.

after their poor KLM prospect, BA is trying to broke the KLM merger with air france, they pressure the US gov to not allowing the merger!

bad tricks and cowardises run all the way with british!

December 12, 2003 at 2:22 pm in reply to: rafale vs su-30mk #2691015

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kolp

“DGA model test model say EF best 90% avec IRIS-T !

Air & Cosmos issue”

i receive this mag each mounth for 8 years and i’ve never seen this!

December 12, 2003 at 1:57 pm in reply to: What do you Brits think of this? Hoon suggests a reduction in British armed forces.. #2691055

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lol

“so French troops fight on foot with no air cover and no tanks ! and they swim there when no ships are ready !

lololol in Iraq US has 100,000 plus troops alone !!

Please everybody excuse my namesake ! He say things ridiculous time again !”

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha US have 10000000000000 troops, but not under Nato operation, dear!

this number is reduced by 2 each days! lol
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