I think it resembled a small SAAB Viggen in some respects (canards fixed but with flaps) and I believe they only built remote control scale models, not actual prototypes.
Before the Tornado program began, there was a program called the Anglo-French Variable Geometry (AFVG) aircraft which closely resembled the Tornado and would probably have had a CTOL carrier variant for use on the British CVA-01 and French carriers. CVA-01 was cancelled, so the British didn’t need a CTOL carrier aircraft anymore.
CVA-01 and some AFVG info and pics here http://frn.beedall.com/cva01.htm
Those Incat designs are very interesting, that 112m LHT looks like a variation of their existing 112m concepts which can be found here http://www.incat.com.au/defence_fs.html
Info on sea basing here http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/seabase.htm
Sea Base ship concept pic
if you’re interested in ‘What Ifs’ for the RN in the 1970s, this might interest you…
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/Alternative%20RN.htmTony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and discussion forum
Good proposals Tony,
I think the RN would have found life alot easier with such a high/low mix and wouldn’t find themselves in the current situation where they are gambling with what ships they can afford to cut.
HMS Bristol was a leftover from the cancelled CVA-01 program and acted as a trials ship for the new weapons it introduced such as Sea Dart, Mk8 4.5 inch gun and Ikara. Heres a unofficial website http://www.hmsbristol.plus.com/frameindex.htm
danrh,
Thanks for the info, I was getting mixed up with a Typhon frigate which would have had the Typhon missile and a strike cruiser CSGN which would have had the Aegis system.
The Virginia class always looked lightly armed with all that empty deck space fore and aft, but really had a very good weapons capability.
I think the Aegis equipped variant was going to be called the Typhon?
Virginia class info and not very good pics here http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/cgn-38.htm
china is rarely into UN participation and i doubt that stance will change anytime soon.
Only reason i would see china build carrier is for PR purpose and even then it would possibly be rebuilt something like varyag with an indigenous fighter like FT2000 or J-10.
Thats my point, they could build one for national prestige and political leverage. STOVL would be the easiest, quickest and cheapest way to do it.
How do u suggest China can protect any carrier from a fleet of 120 orions or RoC’s 300 F-16/Mirage fitted with harpoons.
Don’t start any wars 😉 or use the 100+ fighters which I suggested would operate from it 🙂
If China were to cooperate with Russia on a modern version of the Yak-41M I would build 30,000t+ LHDs to base them on. That would fit very well with what they are focusing on… invading Taiwan. It would introduce them to naval aviation without taking money away from the main goal.
Russia will also no doubt go down in size if they build a replacement for Admiral Kuznetsov. Perhaps STOVL will be of interest again?
I don’t think LHDs would be the best option for invading Taiwan, airborne forces and maybe Wing In Ground effect (WIG) amphibious assault craft would be less vulnerable to attack.
Whats the distance between China and Taiwan? 200km?
Having said that, they would be a very good decoy if used like the USN amphibious forces in the first Gulf war, and they would be very useful after the initial assault too.
If China built a STOVL carrier, what type of aircraft would it carry? The Harrier isnt in production any more………I dont believe any are available to them on the 2nd hand market………..I’m sure the US wouldn’t sell them VSTOL F-35s…….so they would have to develope there own aircraft….poss based on the YAK-141……..I just don’t see that happening……..
Here is post 52 again to answer your questions. Its only a ‘What if…’ idea.
OK, nobody seems that impressed by the advanced STOVL Yak fighter idea so far, but have a think about this possibility.
China and Russia get together to develop the STOVL Yak, it is armed with the latest weapons they can produce and has decent performance and capabilities.
China begins building a fleet of low cost, basic design aircraft carriers based on ultra large cargo ships capable of operating 100+ Yaks.
Although still not a match for the full capabilities of the USN, China has dramatically shifted the balance of power in the Pacific with relatively little effort.
Pic of possible advanced Yak STOVL
china still doesnt have capability to protect a carrier as i mentioned before its naval bases are dangerous close to rivals, RoC or Japan can easily take out most of its vessels if they were to launch a first strike. Also PLAN lacks airborne assests i mean only decent helo they have is 8 ka-28s hardly enough if you are planning operate carriers.
China wants to become a economic super power, its not going to do this if it goes to war with its best customers.
If it builds STOVL supercarriers like I have suggested, it should use them like the USA does. They would sail the world showing the Chinese flag and demonstrating their ambitions, participation in UN operations would strengthen their standing in international politics.
Just because they can’t equal the USNs capabilities doesn’t make them useless, any country launching a first strike against China would be committing a illegal act of war and risking nuclear retaliation.
China will do what it wants, this is just an idea of mine (although I think I read it in a book too, ‘Invasion’ by Eric L. Harry I think).
STOVL is just a quicker and easier way for China to get supercarriers, they could carry 100+ Yak fighters or, just as easily, 100+ helicopters with a 1000 troops for UN peace keeping operations.
I don’t think China would build these supercarriers for the sole purpose of waging war against the USA. They would build them as status symbols of their growing power.
Well unless they build a lot more Type 052C/Ds and build up thier ASW capabilities these carriers will be just so many deepwater reef’s 😀
Daniel
If a war broke out this would probably be true, but in peacetime they would be a powerful political tool.
Apart from the hot gas ingestion problem, I think the seperate lift jet is better than a shaft driven lift fan. I would have thought that a lift jet would be cheaper, lighter, more powerful and easier to maintain than a shaft driven lift fan installation, but the JSF program seems to think otherwise.
Anyway, lets get back to talking about aircraft carriers.
Although the proposed Chinese ultra large aircraft carrier might not be a match for a USN carrier battle group in combat, it could still sail the worlds oceans at leisure showing the world the future potential of China. It would be a powerful political and diplomatic weapon at least.
OK, nobody seems that impressed by the advanced STOVL Yak fighter idea so far, but have a think about this possibility.
China and Russia get together to develop the STOVL Yak, it is armed with the latest weapons they can produce and has decent performance and capabilities.
China begins building a fleet of low cost, basic design aircraft carriers based on ultra large cargo ships capable of operating 100+ Yaks.
Although still not a match for the full capabilities of the USN, China has dramatically shifted the balance of power in the Pacific with relatively little effort.
Pic of possible advanced Yak STOVL