Arthur,
You misunderstand me, I’m not proposing a air defence network of patrolling AEW and CAP missiler type biz jets.
I’m just saying that if NZ ever had to down a aircraft (however unlikely the event) that could be caught in time it would be nice for the pilot not to have to ram into it.
bizslug:)
Arthur,
I’m all for saving money on weaponry thats unlikely to be used, but I would like the equipment that is going to be used to be as capable as possible.
The carriage of AAMs is intended to be more of a deterrent secondary capability.
It doesn’t have to cost alot, and as the saying goes, ”Its better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it”.
GarryB,
I except the argument that NZ could probably get by without a air-air capability in purely military terms, but adding a AAM capability to a fast biz jet will surely save alot of embarrassment should NZ ever be faced with having to shoot down a minor airborne threat such as a hijacked aircraft.
A multi-role biz jet could carry out transport duties such as VIP and medevac missions as well as air patrol missions.
I don’t think the people of NZ would be comforted by the thought that they saved a few million dollars by making themselves an easy target.
SWATH,Trimaran and Pentamaran carriers
Interesting carrier design document http://www.rina.org.uk/rfiles/IJME/andrews.pdf
Heres a couple of pics comparing the Russians planned (unbuilt) supercarrier the Project 1143.7 Ul’yanovsk Class to the completed Project 1143.5 Kuznetsov Class carrier.
Data and pics from http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aj.cashmore/russia/russia-carriers.html
The real answer to the question is…NZ doesn’t need a combat air force.
Nobody’s going to attack it!
Armed P-3s for ocean patrols, a few C-130s, and various helicopters are enough.
P-3s and C-130s are slow turboprops, I think they at least need a high subsonic capability for armed patroling (just in case).
LN Strike Eagle,
Excellent pics, heres one from Exercise Magic Carpet 2004
Its pretty much the same as the DD(X)s which they call a Wave-Piercing Tumblehome hull, so I guess it must work OK.
I think that forward gun turret on the Sea Wraith would take a hammering though:)
DD(X) pic
I think you might be too late:( http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcoltishall/
I’m sure a plane like the P 99 could easily be fitted with Sidewinder/IR type missiles and if equipped with the right radar probably BVRAAM missiles too.
Remember that RAF Nimrods have long had a AAM self defence capability and the S-3 Viking has been used for bombing missions.
IMO most airforces would benefit from operating such a plane.
Amusingly enough there was a tanker version of the A-12 (the YF-12A’s predecessor in the CIA) considered at one point.
As for larger tankers supporting the F-12B, I’d think the KC-135 would have done fine. The SR-71 series has a range of over 2000NM unrefueled, and that’s with a large portion of the flight at Mach 3. A 1000NM or so radius for an interceptor would have been outstanding.
Thats true, the SR-71 was pretty fuel efficent at high speed, but before its fuselage warmed up it leaked like a sieve.
I suppose the important question is whether the F-12 and F-108 would have been used for standing CAPs, I don’t think it would have been very practical at Mach 3.
I always thought that Dreadnaught looking proposal for the new British Destroyer program looked cool, though with a bow that sloped down it would have been better as a sub design.
Is this it?
The Vosper Thornycroft Sea Wraith stealth warship http://www.marcle.co.uk/seawraith.html
The A400M website http://www.airbusmilitary.com/home.html
I suppose NZ would be better served by a fleet of multi-role biz jets which could replace the P-3s too.
With high subsonic speed, long range, good sensors/systems and wing hardpoints for air-air and air-surface missiles or rescue equipment as needed, they could efficently patrol their airspace and keep that vital ”use of force” option.
Something like the Embraer P 99 maybe? http://www.airforce-technology.com/contractors/modifications/embraer/
Combat jets in the New Zealand military are as useful as arctic mountain commandos in the Egyptian military.
After watching the film The Day After Tomorrow I’m not sure I agree with this;)