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wilhelmWhat a waste of time.
wilhelmYou yourself are “regurgitating” what you have read on forums without having any personal experience of the conflict.
Do you have anything worthwhile to contribute?
I’ve informed somebody who wasn’t aware of something that is quite common knowledge.
That there are multiple social networking accounts purporting to be Strelkov.
These have been proven to be false from months and months ago.
Even before the plane was shot down he had publically warned that he did not utilise certain media, and thus any “info” from them was completely false, and certainly not from him.
You’ve contributed nothing except an attack.
Your post is completely valueless to the discussion.
wilhelmOh yes ! That was on Igor Girkin aka Strelkov Vkontakte (Russian Facebook) account. They were bragging about shot down of An 26 near Torez. They deleted that post as soon as it became evident that the alleged An-26 came out to be Boeing-777.
I have followed the conflict from both sides.
Strelkov does not have a twitter or Vkontakte account.
This was demonstrated over and over again on various forums.
There was only one particular outlet which Strelkov used, and which he himself stated. He warned about the others purporting to be him publically on more than one occasion.
I could for example quite easily make a “alfawhiskeyrome” account.
It hasn’t stopped those with only a cursory shallow interest in the conflict, or those not following it carefully enough, from regurgitating anything posted from the spurious accounts though.
I’ve always viewed it as akin to the various telephone “intercepts” from the Ukrainian intelligence services. You know, the ones that are spoken clearly without any codes for various situations or equipment, and which refer to Russian help and artillery bombardments twice in every sentence.
Which is laughable to anybody that has actually been in the infantry, or most other military organisations.
I personally chuckled everytime somebody posted those…
wilhelmDenels new BVRAAM is nearing its first test.
Marlin nears first test [AAD14]
Denel Dynamics expects to conduct the first flight test of its Marlin 100km radar-guided anti-air missile early next year. The first launch will be conducted from the ground at Overberg Test Range, and will be a ballistic test to check out the missile’s basic flight systems.
Successful ballistic tests should lead to programmed tests, in which the missile’s midcourse guidance and flight control systems are used to control the missile’s flightpath. The final stage of trials will be closed-loop fully guided tests, with the missile’s seeker providing control inputs to the guidance section. In the meantime, Denel Dynamics will conduct ground testing and captive air testing of the latest version of seeker.
What is now known as Marlin has been a Denel Dynamics project to develop an active radar missile for around 10 years. The missile has evolved into one that is capable of satisfying land, sea and air applications, and its design has been carefully crafted to meet the requirements of surface and air launch. It employs a degree of modularity that allows it to incorporate elements from the successful A-Darter and Umkhonto programmes, such as the motor technology and fuze. The missile relies on the same motor for all its applications, negating the need to develop
During the development of the weapon, the seeker has undergone an evolution to take account of technological advances. For instance, the original functions of five digital signal processing cards have been compressed to fit on one card, in turn freeing significant capacity for additional processing.
This has allowed the seeker to be made capable of simultaneous multi-target tracking. Other benefits are the ability of four channels to be processed in parallel, rather than sequentially. An operational result is the increase in electronic counter-countermeasures performance, the seeker being able to discriminate between chaff, jamming and the real target.
http://www.janes.com/article/43439/marlin-nears-first-test-aad143
wilhelmUkrainian “State Acceptance trials” What does that mean? I doubt if the An-70 is ready for international deliveries – North Korea, maybe.
http://www.antonov.com/news/301
And Antonov, Sukhoi or Boeing, LM aren’t?
I can’t make head nor tail of what you are trying to say, or why you are trying to look for an argument about this….
1. What does this even mean?????
The aircraft has international certification. It was the first Eastern bloc aircraft designed according to European JAR-25 requirements to enable easy civilian certification for Western Europe and North America. Full stop.
It was then decided to upgrade some of the avionics and engine control sytsems to better reflect improvements since it first flew.
It is now ready for production.
What has North Korea have to do with this???:confused:
2. Errr…yes. Like I said.:confused:
3. Nobody said they weren’t….:confused:
wilhelmWell the An-70 can hardly be considered a rival of the A400 at this stage – how much of its flight test programme has it completed? Who has committed to buying the An-70?
It finished it’s State Acceptance trials 2 months ago, in April.
A small total was ordered by Ukraine, with the majority orders (as well as funding and components) to be from Russia.
I posted the earlier post though to illustrate to a couple of posters earlier in the thread who actually thought that Airbus would allow Antonov to compete.
This shows a lack of appreciation of history and business practices.
This project is dead and buried now in my humble opinion, just when it was accepted and ready for production.
It’s main client is being ostracised by Ukraines politicians, and it’s new overlords will not tolerate such worthy competition.
As pointed out earlier, Airbus itself is a deeply political entity.
Such a pity for the AN-70.
The right aircraft bedevilled by political events (Collapse of USSR, Ukrainian crisis, and now complete political influence by it’s only competitor) completely out of it’s control.
wilhelmHead of Airbus thinks Antonov might fulfill “niche” but shouldn’t compete with Airbus.
That must be a surprise for some people, reading through this thread again.
Who could have seen this coming?;)
http://cfts.org.ua/news/airbus_ne_sovetuet_antonovu_konkurirovat_s_a400m_20200
And this is early days, just after signing the EU Association agreement.
Expect more concrete strangulation steps when the big loans start rolling in.
wilhelmVery good news for the South African firms, as the Brazilians have a much bigger budget.
Indeed.
My only concern is that there isn’t an official definite agreement, although both sides have been making the right noises in the past about extending the A-Darter agreement model to include other missiles.
The article seems to intimate that the Marlin BVRAAM is going forward, so one must assume that backround agreement has been reached?
South Africa had advanced and diverse missile programmes, due to the embargo, but now have little funding compared to those halcyon days of good military funding.
Both benefit, as Brazil get buy into the technology and local production, and South Africa don’t have to see some of the projects go to waste.
The Marlin BVRAAM will most likely lend some components to the Umkhonto Radar 60km SAM that has been mentioned.
wilhelmSA and Brazil to collaborate on missiles post-A-Darter
Written by Guy Martin, Friday, 16 May 2014With the South African-Brazilian A-Darter air-to-air missile heading for production next year, prime contractor Denel Dynamics is looking to further cooperate with Brazil in missile development, notably on the 100 km range Marlin radar-guided air-to-air weapon.
The A-Darter is in its final stage of development, with production expected to begin next year and the first missiles should be in service by 2016. Testing and integration has already been done on South African Air Force (SAAF) Gripen C/Ds, which should accelerate the integration of the weapon onto Brazilian Gripen NGs when these are delivered from 2018. Brazil had originally planned to integrate the A-Darter onto its fleet of F-5s but with the purchase of the Gripen NG this has been cancelled as the Gripen will replace the F-5 fleet.
In addition to the Gripen, Denel Dynamics is also integrating the A-Darter onto the SAAF’s Hawk Lead-In Fighter Trainer (LIFT), a process which will take around two years. There is also talk of integrating the infrared guided weapon onto Brazil’s AMX aircraft.
Components for the 20 km range missile are manufactured in South Africa and Brazil, with extensive technology transfer and integration between the industries of the two countries. As South Africa is the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM), it has done most of the development but ultimately production will take place in both countries on separate production lines.
Deon Olivier, Business Development Executive at Denel Dynamics, said that Brazil will initially buy a hundred missiles for its Gripens as part of an initial production run of around 250 missiles. He said that beyond South Africa and Brazil, other countries have expressed interest in the weapon.
Brazilian defence minister Celso Amorim visited South Africa in March and stopped by Denel Dynamics’ facilities in Centurion to see A-Darter progress first-hand. Whilst in the country he discussed further cooperation in the field of air-to-air missiles. Amorim and defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula agreed to strengthen the relationship between the defence industries of both countries. One project that is moving forward is the joint development of a new air-to-air missile with a range of up to 100 km. Called Marlin by Denel Dynamics, the new weapon will feature a radar seeker head and will be developed into an all-weather surface-to-air missile (SAM) that can be used by South African and Brazilian Navies.
The Marlin technology demonstrator programme was contracted by the Department of Defence through Armscor and will result in a missile that is launched at a target in three to four years’ time. Marlin technology will subsequently be used for Navy, Army and Air Force applications, with synergy achieved due to common subsystems. The missile will use some subsystems and system architecture from Denel’s proven Umkhonto surface-to-air missile and the A-Darter.
More here….
It seems likely then that the Marlin BVRAAM will go ahead, with a SAM version.
The intention is to use subsystems across the Marlin BVRAAM, A-Darter AAM, and Umkhonto SAM, depending on variant, role, and range.
A-Darter is now cleared for the Gripen, and integration on the Hawk is being carried out.
It will not equip Brazils F-5, only the Gripen.
Production to start next year.
wilhelmI think this is a short excerpt from a longer video that has been on the net for the last week or two, showing ground attack runs by Mig 29 and Mig 23 from the target on the ground.
I watched it a while back, but I think this is from the same video.
wilhelmShut down NATO and the UN Security Council, they mean nothing now. An agreement stands what ever the circumstances.
I completely agree.
Like you, I’d like to see German Foreign Minister Guido Westervalle, Senator John McCain, and varrious other EU ministers prosecuted for violating the Budapest Memorandum first, Clause 3, leading to this unholy mess.
I’m glad someone has the honesty and perspective, after having actually read the Budapest Memorandum, to call it as it is.
Because so many are simply venturing forth hard-felt opinions without even having read the damn thing.
😉
wilhelmDouble Post…
wilhelmReneging on this agreement has made me ashamed to call myself British and has made the world a more dangerous place
Again, with all respect, you have it wrong.
Please see my post above.
Do you know the history of the Budabest Memorandum?
There are NO GUARANTEES in it.
Ukraine wanted a full treaty with guarantees.
The big boys, the other signatories, didn’t give them this, but rather a Memorandum of Security Assuarances, otherwise known as the Budapest Memorandum.
There are no guarantees.
Because the big boys weren’t stupid.
And speaking of embarrassment, why not , in the interests of fairness, express embarrassment at the way various EU ministers violated the Budapest Memorandum first, by violating Clause 3?
Does it also make you embarrassed about the way Crimea has been treated with complete disdain previously when they wanted to declare full independence, and nothing was done about that?
The more I view this whole situation, the more ludicrous it becomes, and the more obvious it is how people can be so easily swayed to show morals in one case, and not bother in another case.
wilhelmI was actually thinking more of the UK and US obligations to Ukraine.
At least you haven’t used the word you used in your previous post, “Guarantees”.
Now…what exactly are these “obligations”?
The Budapest Memorandum makes not a single guarantee.
For good reason.
The big players who signed it aren’t stupid.
The Ukrainians originally wanted a proper Treaty, with “Guarantees”.
What they got instead was a Memorandum of “Assurances”.
I was reading on another forum the further extremely interesting point that when the various EU ministers, not least German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle, went cheerleading with the demonstrators in Kiev, whilst refusing to meet the elected government, they almost certainly contravened Clause 3 of the Budapest Memorandum first.
Then, there is even doubt of over the status of Crimea when the Memorandum was signed, as The Autonomous Republic of Crimea had declared independence from Ukraine, as was their right.
In fact, they’ve declared their independence from Ukraine, again, as is their right, on 3 seperate occasions, with Ukraine bullying them each time, once with a threat of invasion, and once even threatening to “depopulate” Crimea. (I kid you not, that is the exact term used in the Ukrainian Council of Ministers ultimatum)
So far, Putin has entered the Crimea (only) bloodlessly, which will now hold a referendum, which will show, as it has in the past, that Crimea don’t want anything to do with Ukraine.
It was always readily apparent to me at the time that when the West decided to dismember Serbia (Kosovo) they were setting up a dangerous precedent.
Of course, now small things like the right to self determination, enshrined in the UN, is desperately trying to be ignored, purely because it doesn’t suit.
Facts rarely stand up in the face of baying lynch mob.
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