what’s the difference between DSI and shockcones ala M2K.
They seem rather similar if not the same aside from the shape.
the YF-23 if made production, wouldve had a shock cone as well.

The Mirage 2000 inlet is variable, as the shock cones move.

As a Child of the 70s the TSR2 was something of a Shhh don’t mention it, especially at the time when I recall the NimrodAEW being shut down.

So please respect a genuine question regarding the type.

What sort of weapons load would it likely have carried, the mega thin wing doesn’t look as though it would take much underslung? Where the intakes are, was there an internal carriage capability and again what types likely would fit ?

Thanks.

If I recall correctly, the TSR-2 had a similar, or perhaps even smaller, total than the Buccaneer.

There were crucial differences though.
The Bucc was designed to take 4 x 460kg bombs internally. This is waht made it such a sterling performer against other more modern aircraft that carried external payloads.
The TSR-2 was designed to take 6 x 460kg bombs, or a 50% improvement over the Bucc, internally.
The Bucc I think could carry a heavier wing payload.
The TSR-2’s real forte was speed, thus the empahsis on more, internally.

I speak from memory, and under correction, though.

Trying to read between the lines of the fanfare and the more grounded types, the TSR-2 had the potential to have stunning vehicular performance.

However, often glossed over is that there were serious issues or problems, and the question whether Britain could afford it. It’s cost was astronomical, and sucked funds.

I obviously would have liked to see it come to fruition, and certainly there were political shenanigans.

I suspect that, if built, she would not be in service today, and would most likely have been retired in the early to mid 1990’s.

there is a saying

you cannot drive a truck if you cannot afford the gas. you should stick to a moped.

Except that they can afford it.

South Africa spends well below the global average on defence.
In fact, the global average is around 2,2% of GDP.
South Africa spends only 1,3% of it’s GDP.

Even as a per-capita figure, it’s low, being a quarter of New Zealand, and only around 10% of Britain.

It only needs a relatively small increase to fund full flying and other capabilities, but the central theme is:
Who exactly is going to attack South Africa in the neighbourhood?

Having said that, I would prefer an increase above inflation, but the ANC wouldn’t do this unless for more capital aquisitions that enable corruption.
Operating budgets don’t allow the same scope for vice…

The C130BZ’s have been upgraded.

Some pictures of the cockpit:

Over the years, they’ve had various modifications and upgrades, the most significant being:
– Centre wing replacement and outer wing refurbishment from 1969 to 1972 done under the auspices of Lockheed.
– Engine upgrade from Allison T56-A-7 to T56-A-15 during the early 1970’s.
– Basic avionic upgrade during the early 1980’s.
The two ex-USAF C-130B’s had already been modified with the fitment of H-model outer wings and a centre wing similalr to that of the other SAAF aircraft.

The fleet underwent a major refit from December 1996, when Marshall Aerospace of Cambridge in the UK and Denel was contracted to upgrade the aircraft as part of Project Ebb, fitting inter alia digital avionics in the place of the electromechanical.

On the note of the A400M replacing the C130:

Contrary to popular belief, fostered somewhat by government and the SAAF, the A400M was not a replacement for the 47-year-old Lockheed Martin C130BZ Hercules aircraft operated by 28 Squadron. It was meant to replace expensive Ilyushin Il-76 “Candid” charter flights as well as the Boeing 707 airborne refuellers/electronic warfare aircraft, the last of which retired in July 2007. This had been operated by 60 Squadron, to whom the A400M had been assigned. This was confirmed by a senior air force officer defenceWeb’s maritime conference in October 2009. The officer noted at 13 new Maritime Patrol/Security Aircraft to be acquired under Project Saucepan for delivery around 2016 – funds permitting – would replace the C130BZ as well as the even-older Douglas C47TP Dakota as well as the comparatively new Casa C212 Aviocar and C235 aircraft currently in service with the SAAF’s transport squadrons. By then the C130BZ will be 53 years old.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6528:fact-file-lockheed-martin-c130bz-hercules-medium-tactical-transport&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

Just found a picture from almost 10 years ago.

Clearly the inner pylons could always carry the TC-2 BVRAAM.

Thus, the only thing I can think of when they say the C/D upgade now can “carry” 4 TC-2’s over the A/B version, is that it actually may have been a radar issue supporting only 2 TC-2 launches, that has now been extended to being able to handle 4.:confused:

Sorry, but could You please explain where this version is more stealthy than the current serial version, which already has a DSI !!!????

Why, Deino my good friend…

It has a sharp chine on the front fuselage.

Add the DSI, and it’s a stealth aeroplane…;)

Ching Kuo with two conformal tanks.