Ok lets look at this and after I have finished laughing and got off the floor we can get to work

Firstly you get your hands on Chinese kit for possible oil what happens when you don’t find oil. You have a big bill and no means of paying it big risk that your people may suffer for.

Second firing ballistic missiles from the main land would certainly bring retaliation from British nuclear subs with tomahawk and ballistic missiles against Argentina’s main land.

Next buying cheap AIP diesel boats will not stop a types 45 destroyer and if it could the British have nuclear hunter killer sub at would wipe out any diesel force that came out to fight .

The same hunter killer subs would have a field day with any carrier group that came out to fight and also British F-35’s and Typhoons would keep any MPA’s out of range of the carrier group also if it is a straight fight between a MPA and a Type 45 in open water my money is on the type 45 as the type 45 looks like a small fishing boat on radar and by the time the MPA had made it’s mind up its dead

And last of all the British armed forces are the most highly trained in the world at this time Argentina’s force’s are one of worst last year there sub spent less an 6 hour under water

Is this a parody post?

It simply has to be.

Whilst wading through that, I actually struggled to find a sentence that doesn’t contain an error or untruth.

Does this remind anyone of JJ or JonJames, or whatever his name was a few years back?
😀

J Jza80, please don’t take this the wrong way, but I’d rather not open a link to the Telegraph on any topic concerning Argentina.

Except possibly a rugby match report, perhaps.

Ah yes the age old trick if somebody can’t win an argument about the Falklands then bring up the Chago Islanders and Diego Garcia as a stick to bash my country.

Whilst myself and many other British people have sympathy for the plight of the Chagos islanders and feel they should be allowed to return to the outer Island chain they are not an indigenous people to those Islands just the same as the Falkland Islanders. They are a mix of different imported peoples mainly from Africa and the significant proportion were slaves brought in by the French. Unfortunately they are victims of Realpolitik and I think the question why they are not being allowed back actually needs to be placed at Americas door not ours. That the Chagossians have been cruelly treated is widely agreed with in Britain and we have allowed them to settle here in the meantime. That doesn’t mean we as a nation should be tarred as hypocrites over the Falkland Islands.

:rolleyes:

It’s not about “winning” arguments about the Falklands.

I was merely pointing out the obvious.

The inhabitants of Diego Garcia’s plight definitely should not be laid at Americas door.

And it is hypocritical to say out of the one corner of your mouth that the Falklanders should be the sole determinants of their future, but out of the other corner of your mouth deny the right to a similar amount of people, who have been on their home for longer than the Falklanders, the exact same right.

It is not about beating Britain up about it.
It is about right, wrong, and the obvious hypocrisy of it.

And for the record, I have said twice on this thread that the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands wishes should be paramount.

Anyway….. I mentioned earlier that much of Argentina’s recent defence posture, prior to the Falklands, was geared toward Chile.

They have had issues over the Beagle Straits.

But it seems that this has been resolved, and the issues have been settled amicably, since the late 1970’s.

I can’t really think therefore of any other major issue that would affect any Argentine rebuilding of their forces more than the Falklands issue. Without this issue, Argentina could actually get away with smaller, leaner equipment wrt fighters and naval craft.

And a central theme running through this whole thread:
How accurate is peoples perceptions of the Argentine economy?
They seem to be having high inflation, but that’s never been out of the ordinary for Argentina, bar a few relatively short periods.
It seems there is non-consensus about how they’re doing.
Some, from certain inevitable quarters, maintain they are doing poorly, but there is as much evidence that this is untrue, and the economy there is growing at a rate that would be envied in other geographical locations.

I’m aware of the default and the energy shares issue.

I guess the truth is somewhere in between, as usual.

China would be well within their rights to sell aircraft and such to Argentina, and Lord knows, the Argentine armed forces do need upgading. But if the Argentines were making threats and such to UK regarding the Falklands and China still sold weapons to them, then I imagine China would remain completely silent when UK starts asking Taiwan if they would, perhaps, like some Typhoons and maybe a Type 45 or two.

I would agree, with the caveat that Taiwan would know full well that Britain, unlike possibly the US, will never tangle with mainland China, if it came to the crunch.

It’s simply not strong enough, and hasn’t been since 1945.

In fact, if it came down to it, the UK would very happily sell Taiwan down the river to maintain economic links with the mainland IMHO, as it does today.

This is quite a big difference, I’m sure you’ll understand.

I would bet your house on the fact that if China sold weapons to Argentina, Britain would not sell weapons to Taiwan, due to mainland pressure.

Realpolitik.

Typhoons would have to be from RAF stocks, as lateral pressure on Britain’s partners in the programme would scupper new-build sales to Taiwan.
In fact, it’s a direct parallel to why certain posters here have stated Gripen is a no-go for Argentina.:diablo:

Flankers flying long endurance CAP missions over the Falklands would present themselves rather nicely as a strong target on the radar scopes of British warships. Probably be able to track them at near max range.

True.

The said warships would present themselves rather nicely as a strong target on the radar scopes of any future Argentine MP craft too. Probably be able to track them at near max range.:dev2:

I can’t think of another combat aircraft family, available to Argentina now or in the next few years, that would be more useful to Argentina wrt The Falklands.

I’m assuming that the main point of the thread predominantly involves these Islands.
If not, assuming correct funding levels, something smaller would suffice.

On the note of MP aircraft, what is currently out there?
Is the Atlantique 3 being produced or not?

Yes if the closest Argentine base was only 40 km away then their sovereignty claim might be more seriously looked at ;)…if the argentine government ever do get sovereignty over the Falklands it will sure set a precedent to open up a huge can of worms regarding quite a few islands around the world 😀

It’s still closer than Britain.

Any sovereignty issues on islands around the globe would almost exclusively be detrimental to Europe.;)

The population of Diego Garcia & the other Chagos islands was no more indigenous than the current population of the Falklands. The islands were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans. Attempted settlements before 1793 were evacuated, & in 1793 the French established plantations. The population prior to evacuation was descended mostly from the slaves who worked those plantations until freed in 1833, & partly from other people imported to manage & work on them.

The argument that they had become the indigenous population, though long occupation, is strong – and it applies equally to the Falklanders. You can’t have it both ways. If removing the Chagossians was wrong because they were the indigenous people after 177 years, then the Falklanders are now the indigenous people after 180 years, & have rights accordingly.

You can legitimately criticise the British government for its actions (at US behest) in the Chagos archipelago, but you can’t justify Argentina overruling the Falklanders rights the same way. Arguing that the British government was wrong re the Chagossians is accepting that they are right re the Falklanders.

And all of this is way, way, off topic. Can we get back on topic now, please?

Swerve.

Read my post again. The whole post.

You are agreeing with me.

I directed the part you’ve quoted above at certain posters who cannot see the hypocrisy in Britain’s actions wrt Diego Garcia, The Falklands, and the oft-trotted-out argument of self-determination.

Like you said, you can’t have it both ways, and still expect people to see morality in your actions.

Back on topic, here’s another British Beauty..