wilhelmSlowman is living up to his name, and seems to be operating in a time vacuum from about 50 to 100 years ago.
In other news, a bunch of Americans chucked some tea overboard and fought the British in a bloody war. Ergo, they must hate the British to this day…
Hmmmmm…. Deino or Slowman.
Who to believe?
Deino who has been contributing quality posts, and often in first with new photos of interesting projects over the years here and in other forums (eg. Secretprojects) I frequent…….
….or Slowman, with a history of statements only backed up by dodgy, non-specialist, general newspaper reports presented as gospel, often to support only a warped view of his, and general unintellectual trolling of certain nations.
It’s a no-brainer.
wilhelmAgree completely. Fighters are high-valued assets where unit prices slowly rise to hundred millions. You got to show some nerve to invest that into products with a Designed in China sticker on it.
Even Korean companies have been battling with their lack of competitiveness for decades – looks like they have started to overcome this drawback successfully – with brands like Samsung or LG. I would also mention car makers, even if these are currently only placed in the low class – I do not remember ever having seen a Korean luxury sedan like Kia K9 or Hyundai Equus.
Korean brands like LG (originally Lucky-Goldstar) have been successful for many years longer in other “western level” countries, like Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa.
Europe is behind the curve here, and the US needs no mention as they are uniquely isolated from many external products, European included.
Hyundai have been making some decent SUV’s for years now, not at all “in low class”.
Again, some of the wealthier, more western countries outside Europe have been ahead in buying certain of these products for years now.
I think you may be surprised at the rate Chinese cars will start to penetrate the market in the next few years, if the trends I mentioned above continue.
wilhelmlongest yes,
largest no.Gripen can take off and land from a 400 m runway.
A ship sailing at 30 knots will shorten this distance. Then throw in TVC to Gripen and you could land Gripen on a 300 m runaway, although hook and arrest wires would still be required in case of a bad weather.
For STOL operation, a fighter jet has to be a Eurocanard with a TVC engine to generate lift at both front and back to reduce approach speed.
So.
You’re proposing just to lengthen a ship to about 700 to 800 meters, without broadening it?:rolleyes:
I wouldn’t want to spend any time on such a vessel.
Like others have pointed out, you are taking what a Gripen can do, on a fixed, known land runway in ideal circumstances.
Whilst ignoring all the safety parameters/margins on a crowded, pitching deck.
Then you talk of thrust vectoring, arrested landings, with the commeasurate weight increases which cancel out your 30 knot (in the slimmest, most fragile, worst length-to-breadth naval ship ever designed) headwind gain………
You are describing a naval aircraft that operates on current aircraft carriers.
Or the Sea Gripen.
You would think if it was so simple, the naval planners up to now should have been jailed for incompetence, wastefulness, and stupidity.:rolleyes:
wilhelmGents the opening question was what aircraft do we feel are in the hunt for what contacts in south America between 2015 – 2035; 😉
I have no problem identing why a type will be good for a contract but lets stop the dick waving :rolleyes:
the only people who will be operating Typhoon in the region will be the UK
The Typhoon will not be operated by anyone of consequence in South America.
They wouldn’t order it for political reasons, IMHO.
wilhelmfirst production batch of j10b already underway go look at Huitong for detail
This is what is said at Huitong:
“However the latest images (December 2012) suggested that the first batch of production J-10Bs (4?) migh finally be under construction powered by Russian AL-31FN engine.”
So, nothing concrete yet. There might be 4 aircraft under construction, powered by Russian engines.
wilhelmI see the sale of older, but still valid, Gripen A’s at lower prices as more realistic. I don’t know of the capability difference between the Mirage 2000 and the Gripen A, but I know the Gripen A is newer and more recent. The Mirage’s saving grace is that it does not require U.S. approval for a sale (engine and AMRAAM). A Gripen without a BVR missile is useless, IMHO. Rio Gripens!
Indeed, the Gripen A is relatively new in global terms, and at a knockdown price, would represent a great bargain IMHO.
Particularly if a limited refurb, only a part of which the Swedes are doing to some Gripen A’s for example, were part of the package. I’m talking of the inflight refuelling part only.
There was speculation that Brazil might have been interested in South Africa’s BVR AAM, following their buy-in on the A-Darter.
To me, this would be of great benefit to both Brazil and South Africa, for obvious reasons.
wilhelmA “Gripen style short landing” will require a ship that would be the longest and largest in the US Navy’s history.
By some margin.
In fact, it will require the longest ship ever constructed in history.
wilhelmGetting back on topic, I suppose if the Gripen can crack Brazil, I have the feeling it will open up the South American market for further sales to SAAB.
Has Sweden considered selling some of their mothballed Gripen A’s at knockdown prices there?
wilhelmSorry Frankvw, that was written the same time as your above post.
One would welcome facts or sources when people post their opinions, other than mainstream media, who are often reporting for the general populace, and thus get things wrong.
Back on topic…
What exactly is the status of the J10B?
I’m not talking about posters who say they are being ordered, I’m talking evidence of production and/or deployment.
For example, is the J10A still in production, or are squadrons still being formed with that plane?
wilhelmFortunately, that day will never come.
No they can’t.
The PLA is a collection of very disorganized, incompetent, and competing warlords, it is nothing like a national military like the US military or the Russian military. The training is poor, and the generals are completely clueless about fighting a war, as demonstrated by disastrous outcomes in Korea, Soviet Union, and in 1979 Vietnam.
Not only that, each of PLA’s 7 military districts(the territory of a warlord) are competitors for power who are happy to take out the other guy when the other guy is in trouble for some reason, so don’t expect any coherent joint war efforts between the warlords against say, the US or Japan.
Not only the countries you mentioned with the exception of Vietnam are protected by the US nuclear umbrella, every capable country on earth goes nuclear the moment China uses nukes against its pledge of “never first use”.
So China’s nuclear weapons is like Bee’s sting; you can use it once, but you die too.
For pity’s sake.
Your most recent “example” of military performance from China is from 33 years ago.
A very different China than the China of today, if it’s even necessary to bother stating that.
That is like comparing the US performance in Vietnam with their military today.
You haven’t managed to squeeze Korea somehow into the topic, which is commendable though.
We have Tigershark, Swg0 or whatever his name is, Slowman, and just need Panyimeeow and one or two others on the thread for nirvana.:diablo:
wilhelmmissle will reach there you need to fly low not high.
Flying low is really good for reconnaissance.
wilhelmCan’t fly high enough aerodynamically to escape a heavy SAM that has all the time in the world to target you. Not since the 1960’s.
And I’d assume the SKoreans’ would not penetrate Northern airspace with their UAV, but rather circle off the coast. And in case they want one more with Mainland China or Japan in mind, MALE or HALE is ghupft wia gsprunga.
Indeed.
North Korea has at least 3 different types of SAM systems that height should present no problems to. Height has not been a proper defensive measure, in isolation, for half a century, as you say. Unless you are flying over some of the more primitive places on earth, populated by MANPADS only.
On that topic, has there been any further news or feedback on the alleged new long range North Korean SAM, the KN-06?
wilhelmits expensive for sweden, thats why they are working with other richer countries to make uavs. look it up.
Rubbish.
You said that:
koreas economy is smaller than mexico. mexico can’t afford to make uavs of their own let alone korea.
Ignoring the level of drivel in such a statement, Sweden, with an economy much smaller than Mexico and South Korea, have designed many different aeroplanes, and aeronautical programmes.
Let me ask you 2 questions, just to get a feel for things.
1.Is China the smartest country in the world?
2.Is China the most powerful country in the world?
3.Is China the best country in the world?
wilhelmWhat about Sweden, Tigershark?
How do they fit into your little world?
wilhelmThis is a high altitude(Higher than 65,000 feet) drone program. Israel doesn’t have one to offer.
How the candidates look.
Global Hawk :
Boeing Phantom Eye :
AeroVaronment Global Observer :
Your post makes no sense.
The Global Hawk has attained a record high of 65 300ft during a test flight. It doesn’t operate near “over 65 000ft” operationally.
Boeing Phantom Eye also operates “up to 65 000ft”. In other words, it operates below that figure.
The AeroVaronment Global Observer is also designed to operate below 65 000ft. It was just a concept, until recently. It hasn’et even flown in an expanded envelope flight test.
The last 2 have only recently flown, and have not demonstrated they can actually operate yet at their designated altitudes of 50 000 to 65 000ft.
The IAI Eitan, which operates at “over 45 000 ft”, is thus in the same category, when one considers that these vehicles do not operate at 65 000ft, and probably operate at around the same maximum altitude.
The Eitan has also been operational for a few years now, and is a magnitude of order cheaper than Global Hawk.
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