Just some backround info on this.
This has been pretty much an open secret for years. The initial South African nukes were developed in South Africa with little help from Israel, if any. These were 6 “gun” type warheads that were deliverable by the Buccaneer. The warheads that South Africa and Israel jointly were working on was to ensure that warheads were small enough to fit on to the Jericho/RSA series missile payload bus.
A large portion of the Jericho/RSA series was funded by South Africa, who also had technical staff working on the project. The Overberg Test Range was used in testing the Jericho/RSA missiles, and Houwtec in the mountains near Cape Town was part of the testing and assembly programme. The origins of the Jericho/RSA missile lies in French technology.
He actually kicks the tires……..
I thought that was just folklore… 😀
Ken
Haha. First thing I noticed too. I wonder if he was thrown into the air after his first flight as well?
IMHO,
ROC should instead seek an AIDC license-produced upgraded F125 engine for an evolved, upgraded F-CK IDF indigenous a/c… Perhaps lease SABR-lite units as part of systems upgrade integration? Add an integrated centerline IRST tank?
Thanks for bringing the thread back on topic.
I would opine that perhaps Taiwan should look towards a “new” fighter, with the FCK1/IDF as it’s leap-off or departure point. I’m sure that the expertise realised by AIDC with it’s IDF programme could be translated into something a bit more updated. As long as it is not too ambitious and reasonably competitive with selected cutting edge technologies, it is perfectly do-able IMHO. As I stated before, propulsion may perhaps be the biggest stumbling block, but this can be overcome with bought-in, licence produced technologies, and the fact that there is free movement in the labour market. The lead designer of South Africa’s Carver being a case in point. (previously from Dassault on the Mirage 2000 programme)
A follow on, updated IDF with some LO features, updated avionics, and upgraded engines in the 5400kg class, as was originally mooted for the IDF would be a most handy vehicle IMHO, and perfectly within the capablilities of AIDC.
hello. this is a very graceful aircraft.
However, in design terms its not exactly ground breaking. So i was wondering if there is likely to be something more advanced in the pipeline or does this represent the frontline of russian manned aviation for the next 30 years?
It’s a prototype. The production version will most probably be quite different, as has been stated here and can be seen the world over on other programmes.
I’m also not exactly sure what you mean. Do you know of any other manned design currently flying that is of a more advanced design, the F-22 notwithstanding? I Can’t.
We also have no idea exactly what the internals of the machine are at present.
Just saw that video over at youtube. Certainly a beautiful aircraft. You get to see the moving nozzles as well as the all-moving stabilisors in action..
Great video!!
Also Russia’s population is shrinking
No it’s not.
This from a year or so back. Let’s see what the future brings, as none of us can predict it perfectly.
In Russia the first time in 15 years recorded a natural population growth, said today the Minister of Health and Social Development Tatyana Golikova. According to the Minister at a meeting of the interdepartmental working group on the national project “Health”, in August 2009 was marked by natural population growth of 1 thousand people.
Experts still find it difficult to give a clear assessment of the figures named Golikova. At birth could have a positive impact “unpacking” maternal capital, as well as the fact that it is now fixed by the wave of births, which was “programmed” in 2008 – at sunset of the “cloudy years”.
Some also noted the paradoxical effect of the crisis had an effect to improve the demographic situation. The fall of population decline, noted in the January-August 2009, may be associated with a decrease in alcohol consumption because of economic turmoil.
Strike the enemy where it hurts the most.
The population of eastern cities of China are Taiwans enemies?
You’re aware that we’re talking about the same people here … the Chinese people? And that their differences are purely governmental?
Sheesh….
The policies of most of the worlds military suppliers are a clue to the direction of things in the future.
China is currently the factory of the world. If China carries on it’s march forward, then they will also become the worlds largest consumer nation. Everybody is aware of this, hence the reticence to deal with Taiwan. These are salient facts as they stand at present.
Both countries claimed ownership of the other. The Taiwanese economy and the mainland economy are now inextricably entwined. I think everybody knows that there will be a reunification someday.
The interesting points would be whether Taiwan gets a special dispensation in the economic and political fields. It may even be the case that Taiwan has a beneficial influence on democracy in China. Maybe not the classic democracy we are used to in the west, but a movement in that direction nevertheless.
Taiwan is quite capable of designing it’s own fighter jet, if enough money is thrown at it. The task that would tax them the most would be propulsion, but there are ways around that with the freedom of movement of labour.;)
If the US could do so without permission, that would assume that Japan is just a vassal state under occupation, and that their electoral process and democratic systems are a sham.
As far as I’m aware, Japan spends a tiny amount of her GDP on defence, and so is happy to have US elements based there. If they decided tomorrow to ask the US to end it’s military presence, their is very little the US could do but obey.
@27vet: I don’t think there are any reports that suggest the aircraft hit any buildings.
On news24 this morning.
Ploughed through trees, buildings, vehicles
According to Wolmarans, 36, an operations manager at Global Aviation’s office in Tripoli, he was waiting for a colleague, Cathrine Tillett, who was on the flight.
Tillett, 44, an aviation training officer at Global Aviation in Johannesburg, died along with two former colleagues who retired recently, Norbert Taferner and his wife, Paula.
“The plane hit the ground about a kilometre from runway number 9. Then it ploughed through trees, several buildings and some vehicles,” said Wolmarans.
He said the weather was very bad.
“Visibility was poor. When I got to the scene, the tail of the Airbus was the only part that was still recognisable. Pieces of wreckage lay everywhere. It was gruesome.”
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/A-loud-crash-then-bodies-everywhere-20100512
Originally the Taiwanese wanted the F404 for Ching Kou/IDF. F404 was withheld from them previously, but its not a high priority nowadays. We should sell them used F404’s when they begin retiring off the F/A-18A’s and B’s so that they can redevelop the Ching Kou into an F404 user. This would finally give them the middle weight fighter they’ve needed. Add in the F-16C/D Block 50/52 order, 66 airframes, and Taiwan looks more likely they can fend off an invasion. What’s the chance that Taiwan could replace their 60-odd F-5’s with an F/A-50 light fighter?
The engine wanted originally by Taiwan for the developed IDF was the GE-J101, as used in the Northrop YF-17. Although the F404 was developed from it, they were considerably different, with the 101 being smaller and with a different bypass ratio and airflow rate. These would have fitted a Ching Kuo development far better than the larger F404. In fact, this would have basically given Taiwan a YF-17 equivalent.
Also, the Ching Kuo is the F-5’s replacement. The original programme was cut in half, at 130 airframes. It is a twin engined light fighter that was tailor made to replace the F-5’s. The halving of the original ordered numbers led to the retention of the lowest hour F-5’s, and indeed various projects looking at upgrading the F-5. One of these entailed fitting a single TFE-1042 as is fitted on the Ching Kuo, but this would not actually have increased thrust, merely added conformity to it’s fighter fleet and spares holdings and maintenance issues. There was talk of a developed TFE-1042 of 12 000lb (about 5400kg) thrust, which is really what the Ching Kuo and any re-engined F-5 could have really done with to unlock further development potential. This would have begun to put these planes in the bracket originally envisiged for them if they had been powered by the GE J101 in the first place.
It may be instructive to look at the Brooklyn Class and their record at damage in combat.
USS Nashville and USS St Louis were both hit by kamikazes, and survived.
USS Boise was hit by a large calibre shell, which didn’t expode, and survived.
USS Honolulu and USS St Louis both survived being torpedoed, the Honolulu also survived a second torpedoing later, this time by an aircraft-launched torpedo.
USS Savannah was hit by a Fritz-X, and was severely damaged, although saved by her crew to be rebuilt.
The Fritz-X was designed from the start to be used against armoured warships. It weighed almost 1400kg with its 320kg warhead. It achieved a supersonic speed of almost 1300km/h. It was designed to penetrate 130mm of armour. Seeing as it was airlaunched, I imagine it had a diving trajectory.
It will be interesting to see the pace at which the Chinese designers move at. I have a feeling we will see something a little more concrete design wise in a couple of years or so….
The concrete facts are that seeing as China has inducted an indigineous fighter, and has produced it in numbers, as well as produced an improved follow on “B” version, you can absolutely bet your bottom dollar that work is proceeding on it’s replacement. This is how design teams and the industry work.
What shape it will follow is speculative at this stage, publically at least. I think it’s a given that it will have at least some Low Observable features.
A-Darter for Gripen and Hawk
Date: 23 April 2010By Leon Engelbrecht
The South African Air Force is to fit the fifth-generation A-Darter short-range imaging infra-red air-to-air missile currently under development at Denel Dynamics to its fleet of 24 workhorse BAE Systems Hawk Mk120 lead-in fighter trainers in addition to integrating it on to the 26 more sophisticated Saab Gripen C and D advanced lightweight fighter.
The move will effective double the SAAF missile combat fighter fleet and will give Denel Dynamics a significant new market for the R1 billion missile programme as the Hawk is flown by about 18 countries.
Denel Dynamics CE Jan Wessels says the new weapon, under joint development by SA and Brazil since March 2007 is on track and on target for delivery to the SAAF and the Brazilian Air Force from early 2013, now less than three years away. Wessels adds training missiles will be delivered from 2012.
Wessels says the A-Darter has now passed a series of development tests, the latest just last month. “For a missile like this the so-called guided flight test is the key test. That’s where you first test it against a target. Now everything has to work as a system. What you now do is you have an actual infra-red target in the air, in this case a parachute flare… now you check if everything is working as a system,” he says.
The test followed a series of programme flight tests where the missile had to fly a series of pre-determined routes, or circuits, “and it is very extreme, left, right up down, all the difficult manoeuvres. But it doesn’t engage a target. You are exercising its manoeuvrability. Can it pull the G’s etcetera. That was done by February,” Wessels adds.
“In parallel the so-called integration missiles that went to Saab. So they have in Sweden already integrated the missile with the structure of the aircraft, the mechanical integration of the missile with the aircraft and with the avionics, which is very complex on the Gripen. They conducted a series of flight tests where they flew with this missile in extreme angles of attack up to 12G, 12 times standard earth gravity) and up to 13 700m in altitude to ensure the aircraft wasn’t damaged. The firing of the missile off the aircraft will be tested as a separate activity but it is these days fairly predictable. That will happen in the latter half of 2010,after AAD, because depends on the availability of aircraft, pilots and this and that.
“The rest of the programme is now qualification and industrialisation. So the real technology has all been solved. On a programme like this those were the risks. On a fifth generation missile like this there were many things we had never done. They have all now been ticked off. Now we can increase the reliability and maturity of the system.”
The next step is to take the missile to the Gripen. “We will repeat the March test, which was ground-launched, but this time from the aircraft, then we will go into clean-up mode and start to prepare for production, reliability testing and the like.”
SAAF director air combat Brigadier General John Bayne let the A-Darter out of the Hawk bag earlier this week. Wessels says fitting the missile to the aircraft will be a new project “that is currently being negotiated. We have a RFI [request for information] to respond to” from the Air Force through ATE and BAE Systems, the original equipment and avionics manufacturers.
“We think there is a lot of potential for [A-Darter on Hawk],” Wessels says. One operating scenario will see the more expensive (in terms of purchase price and operating cost) Gripen act as a command aircraft for one or more Hawk, staying aloof from close combat while feeding command and radar data to the Hawk via the Link ZA datalink both aircraft carry. The Hawk will then close with and engage the adversary using the data transmitted from the Gripen.
“The more they [the SAAF] use the Hawk as a workhorse, the better for our industry. The access to that platform, that product is ten times easier” than the more sophisticated Gripen, Wessels says.
http://saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/880/a-darter-for-gripen-and-hawk
M-53 engine being fitted to the f-1 airframe (poor quality image) and a line drawing showing the differences between the F-1E M-53 and standard F-1.