When we (a group of aviation enthusiasts) visited the Yakovlev museum one year, I glanced outside the windows – and there, lying in some bushes, half hidden, was the forward fuselage section of an aircraft.

It was in yellow primer and definitely looked like a tandem Yak-141.

I took a rather poor photo of it – through the dirty windows.

We asked our hosts about it – but they just shrugged and wouldn’t answer.

Yefim Gordon’s Red Star book on the Yak V/STOL fighter also mentions that the Saratov aircraft factory was tasked with manufacturing two Yak-41UT trainer prototypes…….

I’ll see if I can dig out the photo I took….

Ken

Ken, did you have much success finding that picture of the Yak-141 2 seater?

People like yourself usually have nothing else to offer so spelling flames are the only way you can get any attention. Keep making yourself useful. LOL

I stopped regular posting here long time ago due to people , like yourself, who often derail threads through vacuous insults. When I joined the forum under a former name in 1999, the quality of poster content was high.

You seem to contribute very nicely to the Missile forum, but then just cheaply flame and derail other threads, particularly the Russian ones with constant F-22 derailments.

It is why I rarely bother on this site anymore, and why some of the older, finer posters don’t either….

… I’d rather not contribute than be just plain destructive …LOL:p

Good thing we have you around to correct spelling. Probably nobody here knew what I meant. :rolleyes:

Hey Sferrin, it’s my pleasure …… think nothing of it.

It’s just that the urge to point out these types of errors when they are used during an insult is just too great.:dev2::p

Back on topic: They should just retire this obsolete F-22 thingy and donate them to museums or recycle them into PC casings or something. Bring back the F104 or the Hun.

I personally think it’s a storm in a teacup. And to state the obvious, the functions performed by the microprocessors in military aircraft are functionally very different to those performed by the home PC.

Sandbox, not Shipwreck.

Interesting development.

So we might see two of the old Kievs around eh. . .

The Varyag is not a member of the Kiev Class.

Is there anything in service, or in development, that could truly replace the Tornado’s unique abilities – carrying 6 tonnes of weapons, at 900mph, at tree top height, in the night, in any weather, comfortable for crew and able to operate from rough airstrips?

Jay
UK

The Tornado could never do this.

In fact, no strike aircraft that hangs a similar weapon load externally can…..

Wilhelm’s “third world” remark is sadly not unfair.

I’m glad you’ve taken it as such. It is always a pity when these things happen.

My wife worked for many years in SW London with a famous retailer with the family name going since the late 1860’s. Since she left about 9 years back now, it has been sold and is out of their hands. But at least it is still operating under its original name…

I dont know why Brits could not follow aussie model.. but down here Woolies is the strongest grocer/super market in the land. In fact government is forcing them to stop expanding so they do not monopolise market.

I think success of Aussie woolies is the decision to focus on Food products.. as their logo here is “the fresh food people”… i mean you can still buy some other crap there like toileteries or hygine products.. but 80% is food.. and great variety of it, from most afordable to very expensive. This way they do not compete with kmart, BigW and Target for other cheap rubbish 🙂

The Woolworths in Australia is not the British Woolworths, but rather the South African Woolworths which was started in Cape Town in 1931. It is owned by Woolworths Holdings Limited, which is listed on the Johannesburg Stock Exchange (JSE) and the Australian Stock Exchange. They have stores in South Africa, Africa, the Middle East, and Australasia.

It is an upper end retailer, akin to the Marks and Spencers brand from years back. They do not compete with the major cheaper retailers such as Tesco, ASDA or Sainsburies and their South African equivalents such as Pick’nPay or Checkers or Shoprite. The South African Woolworths, as in Australia, would most likely be comparable to Marks and Spencers. They sell better quality and packaged products than the general supermarkets, for a small premium of course.

I was horrified when I, unknowing of the above, went into a Woolworths in England for the first time about 10 years back….. It was like a third-world family-owned corner shop.

Either way, I hope the employees and families do not suffer this Christmas. Unfortunately, the consolidation in the retail sector has been ongoing for quite some time and will not change. It is the nature of the business…

Does anybody know what the empty weight of the Kfir C10 is? I know the Cheetah C’s weight is around 8200kg empty. The J-79 is a slightly heavier engine, albeit in a cut-down rear fuselage.

I have seen a photo of the Cheetah C simulators cockpit, which appears to have 2 MFD’s. Are there any pics of the C10’s cockpit out there?