How can Argentina afford it? Easy. If it is in their national interest to afford it, they will. Argentina is also over that financial crisis they had a few years back, and their economy has quietly been going along quite nicely.
Hi guys,
I’m currently reading The Official History of the Falklands Campaign by Lawrence Freedman and on Page 386 it talks about Aerospatiale doing a check of the global distribution of Exocets, it says that South Africa had ordered 30 of the missiles. I’m assuming in the context, they are AM.39s, but try as I might I can’t find any information that SA actually operated the Exocet? Can anybody shed some light on this?
The information above hopefully answers your question.
However, if you’re talking about the Falklands War and the early 1980’s, then officially at least, South Africa did not operate the Exocet until the Valour class entered service in 2006. They only operated the Skerpioen (Scorpion) missile from the then Minister class FAC. The Skerpioen is basically a Gabriel Mk2 AShM with a range of just under 40km.
http://navy.org.za/pages/skerpioen
However……
South Africa did order 4 corvettes from Spain with Portugal as an intermediatary in the early 1970’s. They were to be equipped with the Exocet. Portugals coup put paid to that plan, and they were incorporated into the Portuguese Navy as the Baptista de Andrade class. (1974)
The South Africans then ordered two A-69 Aviso’s from France, which were also embargo’ed just before delivery (1978). They currently serve with Argentina. Most interestingly though, was that the weapon and sensor fit between the two classes ordered were precisely the same, meaning that the equipment was moved from the de Andrade class to the A-69 class after cancellation. I do know that South African owned equipment was removed from the A-69 class after the embargo.
Whether South Africa owned Exocets at that stage is unknown and nobody is saying anything. I have never seen any displayed from that time period.
racist now Garry?:rolleyes:
Stupid comment. I live in Africa. Gary is right. Apart from South Africa, the continent has a dismal safety record. There are plenty of national carriers in Africa that are banned from flying to Europe for example. Check Nigerian and Angolan accident rates if you want examples.
And there are plenty of different races in Africa.
its the version sung by gary jules and is from the film “Donnie Darko”
Thank you.
Beautiful video. Who is that singing “Mad World”? It’s an interesting version.
Exactly, Nuremberg was not about Justice as much as was about proving the absolute defeat of Germany and more importantly Nazism as an ideology. Nazism was so downgraded as to become criminal.
Quoted for truth.
I was reading a legal article which mentioned as an example the Nuremburg Trials. Count one was Conspiracy to Wage Aggressive War. The author used this as an example of the kind of pre-ordained guilt and highly propagandarised charge that was endemic in that court. I’m not condoning any of the defendents, nor their actions, and neither was the author. Just that, as the author states, this was hardly legal history’s finest hour. In fact, a lot of the trial was legal nonsense. And a lot of the aspects of the case were illegal, even for the norms of the late 1940’s. As he pointed out, the main charge itself was unique to history and hardly any of the victorious nations would survive that charge themselves!
Under those criteria and charges, I think it pretty obvious what Hitlers fate was to be.
Exactly, Nuremberg was not about Justice as much as was about proving the absolute defeat of Germany and more importantly Nazism as an ideology. Nazism was so downgraded as to become criminal.
Quoted for truth.
I was reading a legal article which mentioned as an example the Nuremburg Trials. Count one was Conspiracy to Wage Aggressive War. The author used this as an example of the kind of pre-ordained guilt and highly propagandarised charge that was endemic in that court. I’m not condoning any of the defendents, nor their actions, and neither was the author. Just that, as the author states, this was hardly legal history’s finest hour. In fact, a lot of the trial was legal nonsense. And a lot of the aspects of the case were illegal, even for the norms of the late 1940’s. As he pointed out, the main charge itself was unique to history and hardly any of the victorious nations would survive that charge themselves!
Under those criteria and charges, I think it pretty obvious what Hitlers fate was to be.
It’s fairly obvious what would have happened if he was captured alive. The actual charges at Nuremburg reflect and were designed for that.
It’s fairly obvious what would have happened if he was captured alive. The actual charges at Nuremburg reflect and were designed for that.
Certain aspects of the T-4 make an interesting aerodynamic comparison to the Tu-144.
But being the coward he was he chose the easy option and left others to face the music
Hitler was no coward. His First World War combat record testifies to that. He regularly volunteered for the most dangerous missions. Whatever else he was, well….
But being the coward he was he chose the easy option and left others to face the music
Hitler was no coward. His First World War combat record testifies to that. He regularly volunteered for the most dangerous missions. Whatever else he was, well….
Good on Denmark. Freedom of speech cannot be murdered by primitive thought processes and primitive zealots.
Good on Denmark. Freedom of speech cannot be murdered by primitive thought processes and primitive zealots.
Not wishing to get on anyone’s goat here but… the UK abolished slavery of it’s own volition at a time when it was probably the most powerful country in the world. The Japanese and Germans had to be bombed into submission for their slaves to be freed…
I’m not commenting on the Aboriginal issue as I know little of it. Nor am I saying that ‘Empire UK’ gave up its slaves for entirely selfless reasons or did so without dissent or that the UK is now some kind of multi-ethnic utopia – clearly not.
Rather that the country’s policy-makers eventually evolved a more enlightened stance on bonded labour thanks in no small part to democracy and the free speech exercised by its citizens.
Thus, I think a distinction can be drawn between the UK and the former Axis powers on this issue at least… when it came to slavery we eventually something about it. When it came to extermination camps… we did something about that too.
Yes…. quite.
I note with interest the use of “extermination camp” as opposed to the more usual “concentration camp”….nice touch. Emily Hobhouse would weep.
I also have always been amazed at the vitriol Australia sent South Africa’s way during the 1970’s and 1980’s for the abhorrent system of apartheid, yet looking at their own house…… The hypocrisy was astounding.