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  • in reply to: Ian Smith has left us. #1273656
    wilhelm
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    and the fact he willl undoubtedly go down in history as the man whose crass bigotry opened the door for Robert Mugabe

    That would be the British Government you are actually referring to.

    His facial wound partially paralysed his face. RIP to Ian Smith.

    in reply to: Tornado ADV and IDS, success or bust? #2548437
    wilhelm
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    You have no idea what you are talking about. The above is just wrong, not just partly wrong but massively wrong.

    That’s an intelligent well thought-out rebuttal.:rolleyes: This is a discussion forum, not an insulting forum. He is entitled to his well explained opinions without being insulted.:(

    I actually agree with the poster on some points. The ADV’s supposed forte was long range interception with BVR AAM. However, its radar was nowhere near ready when it entered service. Blackjack/Backfires would most likely have been escorted by SU-27’s in any confrontation until missile release point. Certainly, up until the late 1980’s, it would have been a massacre if that scenario was played out.

    The ADV radar was eventually got up to speed, but by that stage it’s very reason for being was no longer there. I still think that an ADV with say EJ-200’s might have been a worthwhile interceptor for a long while yet, provided its avionics were kept up to date.

    in reply to: Tornado ADV and IDS, success or bust? #2548979
    wilhelm
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    =Plane man;1184132]The IDS version of the tornado is probably the best low level strike aircraft of all time, still continuing, albeit with upgrades, to come out on top in the Red flag exercises. I cannot think of another aircraft able to do 901 m.p.h at 60 ft and basically fly itself at low level all the way to the target.

    Whilst not carrying offensive ordinance. The Buccaneer was faster when both planes carried a similar load. The Buccaneer’s exploits during various Red Flag exercises are legendary. It could really have done with an avionics upgrade.

    The F.3 version was brilliant in its intended role, to attack Russian bomber formations off northeren Scotland in the harshest of weather’s and EC enviroments. It was far to specified, apart from being a missile platform in this role there was very little else it could do, only the alternative Alarm capability comes to mind. One of the things that is lacking is actual fighter like performance in the F.3 compared to contempories of the day, climb performance and turning ablility are not so good, but once again, it was not designed to dogfight.

    In concept, it was good. It’s radar though was a bit of a disaster that took years to get right. Most ADV’s flew with nose ballast at the height of the cold war.:dev2:

    in reply to: Classics compaired F1 and F-5 #2548988
    wilhelm
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    Thank you for the offer. I do have that data in my cellar. But in 1975 id did not realize, that I will be intrested in that over 30 years later. So I am in hope that someone is more organized about that. South Africa and Dassault products seemed to be of special intrest to you. I give in, that my intrest into the F1 got lost, when the Israelis selected the F-16. In the hindsight the F1 had a lot to offer and was overlooked a bit.

    I do have an interest in Dassault products, as I have an admiration that a “small” firm has been so competitive for so long. And doing so with a certain amount of style. It has also been interesting to see what others, apart from the US and USSR, have come up with. The South African interest comes in as a result of the arms embargo and the SAAF’s long history of operating Dassault types. Their Carver was probably going to be heavily influenced by the Mirage 2000 as a result. The info out there states that the Carver chief designer was one of the leading engineers on the Mirage 2000 design team.

    I believe that the Mirage F-1 might also have benefitted from a more prolonged and sustained upgrade path. I’m aware that it came on the scene just before fancy stuff like FBW and large frame composites appeared, but it would certainly have been beneficial with perhaps a modern low by-pass turbofan.

    I’m not too certain if I have the comparitive data for the SMR-95 vs the M-53. I do know that the original F-1E that flew with the M-53 was slightly longer and a tad heavier (about 300 odd kg’s) The nose was re-profiled and had a slightly more curved surface. The Super Mirage F-1 is basically identical in size to the F1AZ, apart from some rear fuselage modifications.

    Below are some more pics of the SMR-95 powered Super Mirage f1.

    in reply to: Classics compaired F1 and F-5 #2549043
    wilhelm
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    Are there some data at hand to compare it with the F1E from 1975 and its M-53 Tf ?

    Not that I know of Sens. I’ll see what I can find out.

    in reply to: Classics compaired F1 and F-5 #2549642
    wilhelm
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    Didn’t South Africa send an F-1 to Russia for trials with the RD-33 engine a few years ago?

    The Super Mirage F1 project was started in about 1990/91. With the end of Apartheid, the pace of the project slowed down, with the first flight of the SMR-95 engined Mirage F-1 taking place in about 1994. The SMR-95 was the RD-33 with various changes to facilitate single engine use and a different engine bay. The resulting aircraft had much better fuel consumtion and much faster spool-up time and throttle response, although the TBO and maintenance concepts were very different. Since then, there have been reports that the basic ATAR9K50 has been improved somewhat.

    There was some South African involvement in the Spanish F1 upgrades.

    in reply to: Classics compaired F1 and F-5 #2550122
    wilhelm
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    Would have been interesting if Dassault had followed through with an M-53 re-engining programme.

    in reply to: The Atlas Cava #2551828
    wilhelm
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    Below a profile with weapons then in development. Also some pictures of the what the weapons then in development finally looked like.

    in reply to: The Atlas Cava #2551859
    wilhelm
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    I guess there never was an “official” version. The huge differences in wing and intake form indicate a very preliminary design stage. Looks like a Mirage III or 5 derivative.

    Hi Schorsch

    If you read through some of the links given, it emerges that the single engine version was the version punted originally. A lot more work was done on this version, and various wind tunnel models were tested, as well as a host of other work. The lead designer had apparentely been intimately involved on the design team for the Dassault Mirage 2000 previously. So perhaps more Mirage 2000 than III or 5 features would have been prevelant.

    Then along came the new SAAF chief, General Loggerenburg, who apparentely then completely shook up the project and detailed a larger twin engined jet, as he was an ex Buccaneer pilot and a proponent of twin engines. This late shake-up/meddling effectively scuppered the project, as a lot of work had actually been completed on the single engined smaller design.

    Some aviation projects that flew in South Africa were directly related to the programme. Some of these consisted of airframe, materials, weapons, avionics, engine programmes amongst others. There was a programme called “Project Meccano or Mecano” that had to do with development of an fully coherent multimode pulse doppler radar in an airborne version, that was apparentely based on the land based ‘Fynkyk” system. My friend, who has the book mentioned above, tells me that there was a host of other work as well. I can ask for details if needed.

    in reply to: The Atlas Cava #2552124
    wilhelm
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    Ohhh … sorry, didn’t noticed the two later profiles !

    Thanks for posting.

    Deino

    No problem … it’s my pleasure.:)

    in reply to: The Atlas Cava #2552128
    wilhelm
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    The three profiles that I posted at the end of the first page of this thread show the twin-seater single engine, the single-seater single engine, and the twin-seater twin engined profiles.

    Once more they were sent to me by a friend so I do not know how accurate they are or whether the artist had official “hints”. My friend said that he has an identical profile to the first one he sent me, only that it has a variety of weapond that were in development beneath it. He will send it to me.

    Interestingly, on the SAAF site, the one gentleman who saw some of the windtunnel models states that the photo of the model seen posted here (post32) has basically the correct design features as the models he saw.

    in reply to: The Atlas Cava #2552133
    wilhelm
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    The 3 profiles I posted at the end of the first page of this thread were sent to me by a friend. I assume those are the profiles.

    in reply to: The Atlas Cava #2552140
    wilhelm
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    For further comparison, the drawing below was used in a Aviation magazine way back to show the 2 seater twin engined version. I’ve taken the liberty of also posting a colourised version posted by JAZZ at the secretprojects forum.

    Interesting chats that show some backround are:

    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2684.0.html

    and a very informative one with some gents who have actually seen some windtunnel models over at:

    http://saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?t=157

    in reply to: The Atlas Cava #2552147
    wilhelm
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    More interesting is the statement from leading edge about that “mysterious” book with the side profiles.

    Does anyone have this book or know these profiles ??

    Cheers, Deino

    I think the pictures I have just posted come from that book Deino.

    Edit: I’m 90% convinced, but will find out.

    Edit2: They came from Pierre Victors book “Those who had the Power”. It is the same book therefore in your picture.

    in reply to: The Atlas Cava #2552153
    wilhelm
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    For comparison purposes, below is the only model that has so far been seen in the public domain.

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