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  • in reply to: Merlin development #1022202
    Charles Ross
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    Hi, guys,

    Many thanks for the input and sorry for the delay in replying. Just in case you’re interested, a couple of stories my Dad told me, from the beginning and end of the war.

    When war broke out, he went to his local recruiting office to join up. He had fantastic long range vision and wanted to fly fighters. However, when the officer got to ‘occupation’ and found out what he did, he tore up the form and sent him back to Rolls with a flea in his ear. That’s probably why I’m here today.

    During the war, surplus Merlin packing cases were in great demand by the workforce as coal bunkers, storage etc. You put your name down on a list and every so often a lorry would leave the factory and drop them off at workers’ houses. Just after the war ended, my Dad was called by his neighbour to give him a hand, as his case had just been delivered. When they tried to move it, nothing happened. You guessed it – it contained a brand new Merlin which was now not needed. The factory couldn’t even be bothered to take it out of the crate.

    Thanks again for your input, it’s been very interesting.

    in reply to: Merlin development #1034945
    Charles Ross
    Participant

    Hi, guys,

    Many thanks for the input and sorry for the delay in replying. Just in case you’re interested, a couple of stories my Dad told me, from the beginning and end of the war.

    When war broke out, he went to his local recruiting office to join up. He had fantastic long range vision and wanted to fly fighters. However, when the officer got to ‘occupation’ and found out what he did, he tore up the form and sent him back to Rolls with a flea in his ear. That’s probably why I’m here today.

    During the war, surplus Merlin packing cases were in great demand by the workforce as coal bunkers, storage etc. You put your name down on a list and every so often a lorry would leave the factory and drop them off at workers’ houses. Just after the war ended, my Dad was called by his neighbour to give him a hand, as his case had just been delivered. When they tried to move it, nothing happened. You guessed it – it contained a brand new Merlin which was now not needed. The factory couldn’t even be bothered to take it out of the crate.

    Thanks again for your input, it’s been very interesting.

    in reply to: Lightning XR724 (2007 thread) #1000726
    Charles Ross
    Participant

    Lightning survivor

    Hi, guys, long time since I was on the thread but some of you know that my engine threw some turbine blades and for a long time it was touch and go. Thank goodness that when things went pear-shaped I was only ten minutes away from a fantastic bunch of cardiothoracic surgeons at one of the three main cardiac transplant units in France. Well, I got through it eventually but if you ever want to lose weight, being in a coma does it for me! Many thanks to all who sent their best wishes, which John Watson relayed to the hospital. If you come and see us in the Exhibition Hangar at Waddington, if you listen carefully you can hear the clicking sound of titanium, Teflon, Dacron and other new bits keeping me going. Not many of us share common parts with the fire floor of a Lightning.

    Work continues steadily on 724 and its ancillary equipment. Since last year the Lightning Association has had a number of engineering days where in a large part thanks to this forum we have managed to assemble a small group of engineers who are preparing the jet pipes for removal and servicing. If anyone’s interested in helping, please keep an eye on the website for further dates.

    Up on the airfield, parts of it have been sold to new owners who we understand intend to run a recycling plant there. Once again, we will have to negotiate a new relationship with people we haven’t yet met, but I hope that as we always have before, we shall be able to negotiate a peaceful co-existence and get on with our efforts.

    Some comments have been circulating about more of Binbrook airfield being dug up and the amount of available concrete being reduced. This was done because the local authority specified that all development on the site must be shielded by large bunds with trees planted on top of them. The digging up of part of the existing concrete has been to allow the roots of these trees to get below the surface and allow the trees to grow. It was a non-negotiable requirement if planning permission for the development was to be granted, and if the owners had refused the remaining concrete would probably have had no further commercial value than as motorway foundations. Some has been lost to save the rest, so I hope this clarifies the situation and the reasons behind it. From our point of view, it’s not fantastic news, but it could have been much, much worse.

    Thanks again to everyone who was so supportive during a very difficult time. If you have any more questions about 724, I’d be happy to try to answer them.

    in reply to: How do you move cockpits / large aircraft sections #1000862
    Charles Ross
    Participant

    Big Toys

    Here are some shots of my Lightnings being moved, XR725 from Rossington to Binbrook on a motorway bridge waiting for the relay police escort to arrive, XM192 going from the Bomber County Museum at Hemswell to the Thorpe Camp Museum at Tattershall Thorpe (photo Darren Swinn), and the cockpit of XS899 on its bomb trolley (now available for another cockpit – see the bomb trolley thread) being manoeuvred around. You need a lot of heavy kit, a lot of specialist knowledge and a lot of muscle.

    in reply to: Looking for one of these… #1001072
    Charles Ross
    Participant

    Bomb trolley available

    Hi, I’ve got one for sale if you want it. It was originally used for a Lightning cockpit section, but I needed to be able to move the cockpit round the garage more easily and this was a bit unwieldy, so I’ve made up a new cradle using four swivel caster wheels rated to 1000kg each and I can spin it in its own length. If you’re putting a Lightning on it, I’ve used the original box section rear support which was fabricated at Coltishall (not original to the bomb troilley, of course) but you can take any measurements you want and if you make up an identical cradle it will fit your Lightning. I don’t know what type the trolley is, but it’s perfect for a Lightning. I’ll try to upload a couple of photos for you, showing the trolley and what your Lightning will look like one day!

    Charles

    in reply to: Lightning XR724 (2007 thread) #1125362
    Charles Ross
    Participant

    Lightning XR724

    Well, here I go again. Many thanks to everyone for their good wishes, both on the forum and privately. Things are getting better, albeit slowly. Thanks again.

    I had been going to post more of the ideas on how people thought we should approach the situation at Binbrook by removing XR724 to another location, but I’ve been asked by a lot of people about the current state of the airframe in order to resolve some of the very different opinions circulating in the various forums. In consequence, this post is an account of the current engineering situation, including what has been done and what is being done. It also includes some detail on the maintenance of the ancillary and ground equipment required to maintain an aeroplane in an operational state, something which is often overlooked by those who have no knowledge of the engineering tasks involved. This information has been provided by John Watson, Chief Engineer, XR724.

    However, before continuing I see that a number of members of this forum have been discussing alternative means of getting her to another location, but although I will go into more detail on that in another post I would ask everyone to take on board what MJR says. He is an experienced and respected engineer with a great deal of knowledge of the Lightning and its systems and, like it or not, his observations are absolutely correct.

    As you all probably know, the Lightning Association needs engineers of all trades, as we have not just XR724 to look after but a substantial amount of ground equipment and spares. Currently we have to try to maintain and keep serviceable a Douglas conversion of the David Brown airfield towing tractor and a diesel Houchin 200v 3-phase/28vdc ground power unit. We also have a Rolls Royce Artouste Mk102. There are many other items of essential ground equipment which require regular servicing and maintenance if they are to be able to be used to keep XR724 as a live aeroplane. Unfortunately this is not done by magic but by what is realistically achievable by the engineers we currently have, and good engineers with spare time and understanding families are always in short supply.

    As far as the ground equipment is concerned, the current status is that our tractor needs the braking system overhauling yet again and a good lick of paint would make her look nice once more. She is more or less serviceable and appears to run well, but the gearbox needs new oil seals to stop a small leak. Apart from this, the exhaust system blows a bit and needs slight attention. A brand new tractor battery has been sourced and fitted, and the tyres still hold their pressure well. All of the engine & transmission oils have been topped up and the radiator has had plenty of antifreeze. Otherwise all mechanical systems seem to work quite well (apart from a lack of brakes)!

    Much work has continued on our Houchin ground power unit. This has taken up quite a bit of time as the electrical control panel was badly corroded and needed attention. Currently, all we have left to do is swap a 3-phase trip and a noisy potentiometer, which sets the dc output supply voltage to 28vdc, fit a new starter battery and mend the blowing exhaust. Apart from this, our Houchin still regularly supplies our Lightning with AC/DC ground power.

    The Rolls Royce Mk 102 Artouste is a small jet engine which is able to perform an air delivery of min: 2.2 lbs/sec @ 38 psi with engine mass flow: 7.2 lbs/sec @ 35,000 rpm, supplying air via the airhose to the Lightning main air system connection. The last Artouste run took place at the end of September 2010. An adjustment to the butterfly valve and routine maintenance needs once again to be done, thus enabling further Artouste runs to be performed on ‘724 in 2011.

    We also own a 1960s AEC refuelling bowser which has been totally renovated and is currently on long-term loan to David Walton at Bruntingthorpe in Leicestershire, refuelling many of the operational aircraft at the Proving Grounds. David’s massive support for the aviation heritage movement needs no introduction from us, and the loan of our bowser is a small return for the resources he has for many years put into maintaining classic aircraft in operational condition.

    As for XR724, this is the current situation, warts and all. The two Rolls-Royce Avon engines are regularly spun by hand and both appear visually to be in good shape & condition, spinning freely and showing no signs of water ingress, but an internal inspection with a borescope needs doing before we could even consider running these again. On the last engine run we had an A-failure on No.2 engine (an A-failure is when combustion of the ipn or avpin fuel does not take place in the starting system). The No.2 avpin starter has inherently had bad fuel drain problems and needs further attention, with No.1 engine starting & spooling up and then petering out due to fuel starvation. The most likely causes are the L/P cocks, fuel pump problems or fungal growth in the fuel system.

    A Turb warning light still illuminates, but only when running No.1 engine. It goes out when a No.2 only engine run is made, and is possibly due to a sticking relay in the air turbine gearbox. No.2 reheat fuel drain still needs to be fitted & the stacking order of the JPT amplifier connections needs to be checked (we do have AP 101B-1000-5A3C). The JPT (jet pipe temperature) circuit to No.2 engine cockpit indicator still needs slight rectification.

    Since 2004, the No.2 jetpipe, which was replaced by the corresponding jetpipe from XR725 overhauled by Les Overton, Geoff Commins & myself, has had the solenoids refurbished & rewired, resulting in what appears to be a very serviceable jetpipe. To this day she has an annular gear which spins freely, including the eight screwjacks & rollers which can be turned by the pilot’s fingers (they always do this, don’t they?!) Since fitment of the refurbished jetpipe, the No.2 engine needs its max. rpm governor adjusting if engine runs permit, as the newly datumed No.2 jet pipe has a larger variable nozzle area than before. No.1 jetpipe has still to be overhauled when time and engineering resources permit.

    The air turbine gearbox is in remarkably good order, with a blanking disc fitted in the exhaust to keep water out. Such water as gets in is regularly drained and the ATGB spun by hand. It is also Artouste spun with hot bleed air when time permits. The aircraft hydraulic systems need attention & the airbrake ram seals both need overhauling. The dc fuel pumps have been switched on and swirled on a regular basis. The aircraft battery has been overhauled with new cells, enabling a full dc battery supply for ‘724.

    A new wheel/tyre change has been done on the starboard side and the port side is to follow suit. We are still looking for help sourcing Schrader tyre valves, as tyre pressures in both main wheels only lasts 6 weeks or so when pumped to full working pressure. This will be an ongoing problem for us until new spare valves are sourced. The reference numbers are as follows: Schrader 6100E , 5230 & AHO 81765 . If you have any or can help, please contact us. Other items that would be very useful are a maintenance manual for the David Brown aircraft towing tractor and the relevant air publication for the diesel Houchin ground power unit, OM15 hydraulic oil & OX38 engine oil, Waxoyl, PX25 and WD40.

    The cockpit seat has been very kindly re-packed by Mike Ramsay, an ex-Binbrook armourer, following an earlier break-in before the site was fitted with security cameras & manned 24/7, and is awaiting fitment to the aircraft. This has deliberately not been carried out at the present time, as more work needs to be done in the cockpit. Many cockpit instruments have been switched on & switches cleaned & exercised.

    ‘724 has been moved several times but always parked in the usual place, except once when it was decided to move her to the side and the other way round for the June RAF Binbrook 70th Anniversary weekend organised by Ray Whiteley. In September 2010 we towed ‘724 yet again around the pan with our tractor as fast as was safely possible, thus keeping the oleos exercised and the brakes from sticking. We have been able to do this as the pan is currently free of equipment, but over the years the oleos have dropped in pressure a little bit and although not a problem for now will need rectification in the future.

    A new thicker spine cover has been made which keeps the essential parts in the spine dry with a new cockpit cover being donated by Dart Engineering. XR724’s fibreglass jetpipe cover was lent to XR770 for the 2009 RAF Waddington airshow season and has now been returned. The jetpipe cover was going to used as a mould for one to be manufactured for ‘770, but in the end a suitable cover was sourced elsewhere.

    The airframe preservation situation is that during the last three years over 30 gallons of WD40 and Waxoyl have been applied by Ray Whiteley, Darren Swinn and myself over many occasions, including a liberal coating of PX25 in the wheel wells, although this does not last very long in the Binbrook weather.

    A planned technical inspection of the airframe and engines is to follow in 2011 if enough suitably qualified engineers can be assembled at the same time, with a view to assessing the status of the airframe and its systems and what will be needed to ground-run XR724 safely once more.

    Finally, we must acknowledge a great debt of gratitude to Winchester Marine for all the company’s help concerning XR724, including the use of their heavy equipment which on many occasions was essential to enable us to complete specific tasks.

    I hope that this page answers some of your questions regarding XR724 and its associated ground equipment. Thanks to all who have supported and continue to support us and for having an interest in what we do here at Binbrook. Please note if you would like to volunteer to work on XR724 and the associated ground equipment we would love to hear from you. Former experience within the RAF or aviation industry would be ideal, but any engineering help is of use and other skills may benefit our various ongoing projects. For anyone with a technical question or who wants to know more about XR724, I can be contacted via the details below.

    John Watson
    Chief Engineer, XR724
    15 Cuthbert Avenue
    Barnetby,
    N. Lincolnshire

    Mobile: 07765450612
    E Mail: [email]ultrasonicsystems@tiscali.co.uk[/email]

    The pictures below are captioned:
    1) XR 724 being prepared for an engine run with the top engine cover off and ground power being supplied by the Houchin.
    2) Pip Sweetman behind the radar bullet doing a FOD check and an inspection of the turbine blades. Taken a few years ago – he wouldn’t be able to squeeze down the jet intake these days!!
    3) Removing the upper engine jetpipe from XR724 using the correct jetpipe trolley supported by another piece of our ground equipment, an ex-Bloodhound missile side loading fork-lift truck rated to 12,000 lbs at full tower extension. It’s tatty, but it all works.

    There are lots more, but modern cameras seem to take very little at less than 2 Mb per picture and I can’t post these as the forum limit appears to be 300 Kb per picture. I don’t know what to do to achieve a lower resolution, so you’ll just have to access our website to see them. Sorry.

    Charles

    in reply to: Lightning XR724 (2007 thread) #1148460
    Charles Ross
    Participant

    Lightning XR724

    Back again after a rather rocky few months. I won’t bore you with the details but I got breathing problems and stuck a stethoscope on my chest to find to my surprise that I had a good-going diastolic murmur. Went to the quack and entered a series of investigations, during which time my breathing got so bad that I couldn’t drive the car without the air-con running and breathing consisted of alternate thirty-second periods of hyperventilation followed by thirty-second periods of apnoea (not breathing, hopefully temporary, for the non-medics out there). If I tied the laces on one shoe, I had to rest for a while to let my breathing return to normal before being able to tie the other. Nothing to do with aviation directly, of course, although it did make me start to wonder what would happen to all my Lightning bits and pieces if I was en route to being struck off charge. That may be a topic for another post. The final diagnosis was an incompetent aortic valve, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, reduced elasticity in the airways, asthma (never had it before) and a bad chest infection. Anyway, I’m a lot better clinically now that the drugs have kicked in. It could always have been worse – at least I never heard the words ‘biopsy’ and ‘trouser department’ in the same sentence.

    Thanks for all the good wishes from everyone. Salad Fingers, can I be the first to take you up on your offer of a print of Triple Six for the Lightning Room. Great charity and it’s good that guys as busy as you are taking the time to support it. Just tell me where to send the cheque and who to make it out to. My e-mail address is on the Association website. Any other forum users want to chip in for a print as well? Come on, it’s not much, a gallon of diesel will soon cost £40. In addition, I’d be very happy to post your offer on our website which obviously is read by many Lightning enthusiasts all over the world. If that’s OK with you, please mail our webmaster and see if we can help reach your target. For those of you who haven’t checked it out, the website is currently being revamped by David Evans after many years of inactivity and I hope we can use it to stimulate new interest in ‘724. It’s at http://www.lightning.org.uk.

    Back to ‘724. When the heady days of hangarage and regular engine-running changed to open storage and much reduced and eventually zero engine-running, I began to get calls from people about the future of the aeroplane. The airfield had by now been sold into private ownership, with the individual owners having bulldozed earth bunds round their perimeters to show the limits of their property and to stop the boy racers from the surrounding area from burning out the tyres on their 1.0 litre Corsas with their blacked-out windows and 4″ exhausts. Additionally, one particular owner, whose patch included large parts of the runways and peri-track, had brought in giant concrete breakers and graders and had started working down the runway, reducing it to heaps of rubble which I understand are now supporting our latest motorways. Nevertheless, the first suggestions from the daydreamers were to ‘fly her out’!

    OK, where to begin. Perhaps a comparison with the Vulcan would help. When ‘558 touched down on her delivery flight and, most importantly, when a signature had transferred her into private ownership, if the same RAF crew had wanted to take the perfectly serviceable aeroplane up again later in the afternoon after refuelling, the CAA would have refused without even thinking about it. Since then, everyone knows exactly how difficult it has been to get the Vulcan back in the air, despite the army of volunteers, Lottery money and enormous donations from the public, as well as having a spares inventory at Bruntingthorpe which would be more than enough to deal with any engineering issues in ten years display flying.

    We, on the other hand, had none of these advantages. Apart from the fact that the airfield was disappearing before our eyes, ‘724 had not flown for over ten years and was in open storage. We had very limited engineering resources and spares. What money we had wouldn’t fund an application to the CAA for a Permit to Fly for more than a day, let alone put fuel in the tanks. In any case, I knew from my previous experiences with the CAA that if they don’t want you to fly, they’ll just invent conditions which become increasingly more difficult to satisfy. This is what happened with us before BAe took over. For example:

    ‘You have no experience of operating fast jets of this class, so until you gain that experience we cannot give you a Permit.’ Fairly Catch-22, isn’t it? You need to have operated fast jets to be given permission to operate fast jets. Well, not exactly, but that was why Barry Pover had to get into Hunters before being able to take further his application to fly the Lightning. It was not until he could prove that he had successfully operated another jet, albeit Championship rather than Premiership, that he could apply to the next level. Anyway, you prove you can fly Hunters. It’s blue skies and soft landings for the Lightning now, isn’t it? Ho, ho, ho.

    “It’s a complex aircraft with no manual reversion (control) if you lose the hydraulics.” Well, that applies to every passenger jet flying today and, just like them, the Lightning has many back-up systems. Let’s say it was someone’s birthday and they were feeling mellow that day and let you get away with this one. But can you go flying yet? Silly boy.

    “The Lightning’s loss rate due to fire is too poor to allow you to fly.” Well, not after the mid-life fire integrity mods in 1972 it wasn’t. There was a total of 72 losses of all marks of Lightning up to 1988, giving an overall loss rate of 14.1/100,000 flying hours. Of these, there were 22 losses (all marks) post-1972, giving a loss rate of 11/100,000 FH, which compares well with the pre-1972 loss rate of 16/100,000 FH. The effect is more apparent if only the losses from fuel- or hydraulic-leak related fires on Mk.3/6/T5 (which is what you are proposing to fly) are considered. In the eight years from 1964-72, there were 11 such accidents, while in the final 16 years of service after 1972 there were only 5, giving a post-1972 leak-related loss rate of 2.6/100,000 FH. And you accompany this with reams of paperwork analysis proving your point, that the Lightning is actually safer to fly than an autogyro fitted with a ballistic rescue parachute system. Now can we have that Permit? Are bears Catholic? Does the Pope s**t in the woods?

    ‘Who will be working on the aeroplane? We want a CV for every engineer containing all the paperwork showing that he has been properly RAF-trained and is competent to service his particular part of the work.’ And unless you can provide engineers of every trade involved in servicing the aeroplane, you go nowhere. I’ve been told that the guy who knew the most about the Vulcan electrical systems was only allowed to advise the ‘558 team from a distance, as he was not qualified by CAA standards to be hands-on. I can’t verify that, but it certainly wouldn’t surprise me. But let’s say you can satisfy that condition. You didn’t really think you’re going flying, did you. Have you been listening to a word I’ve said?

    ‘We want to see a computerised list of your entire spares inventory and you must prove to us that you can produce any spare we decide is necessary for a Permit to be granted.’ OK, what do you want? Ref. No. 28M/1011467, Part No. A27/ES, Nut, 1/4″ BSF slotted, ventral tank to fairing attachment? Here we are, Building 2, Aisle 5, Row 7, Shelf 3, Box 17, 6 of, in original packaging and in-life. What? Ref. No. 9032, Part No. E.B3.73.1579, Coupling, cone tee (unequal ), undercarriage ‘up’ line forward of Spar 4? Certainly, sir, and how do you like your coffee? Look, guys, if any of you are lucky enough to have the APs for the Lightning (get in touch immediately if you really do) you will know that Volume 3, Part 1 alone of the Schedule of Spare Parts for the Lightning F.3 and F.6 weighs 6.5 kg! But let’s say you can satisfy this condition. Can we get this baby off the ground? Is the Head of Applications at the CAA an old fat man with a white beard and a red suit?

    The killer is really quite elegant. ‘If you can provide evidence from an approved authority that you are competent to fly this aeroplane, we will grant you a Permit to Fly.’ Oh, right. As far as the CAA is concerned, that means MoD or the Design Authority for the Lightning – British Aerospace as was. So, let me get this right. You want MoD or BAe to put in writing that we are competent to operate the Lightning and to take the responsibility if we go down with full tanks into a centre of population. The UK doesn’t have the vast areas of virtually unpopulated country that South Africa and the US have. And when they come to the CAA from the Air Accidents Investigation Branch and ask which clown allowed us to fly, they will produce their letter absolving them from responsibility and congratulate themselves on their foresight in protecting their jobs and pensions. If you think ANYONE will ever be able to satisfy that condition you are at the back of the class in a mixed-infants special needs group.

    Somewhere in the early years of the Lightning Review there’s an article I published entitled something like ‘Military to Civil operation of jet aircraft – the CAA parameters.’ If I can find it, I’ll post it on the website under Lightning Tales, so check it out in a week or two. Anyway, I was going to go on and list all the other bright ideas for ‘724 which have come my way, but I think that’s enough for now. Time to go and take my medicine. Hope you’ve found this interesting. And if anyone else ever asks me why I didn’t fly her out, they’d better arrive at Binbrook in their own ambulance.

    in reply to: How Low Can You Go?? #1132882
    Charles Ross
    Participant

    Lightnings at low level

    Just getting into the forum, mainly in my capacity as chairman of the Lightning Association posting the real story behind XR724 in the ‘724 thread. If you have any interest in the ‘warts and all’ problems of buying, recovering for flight and maintaining a Lightning in operational condition, have a look. My bit starts around Page 4, when I got fed up with all the uninformed bad press, often from guys whose lifetime contribution to aviation heritage appeared to go no further than their keyboard. However, browsing other threads I saw in this one a post by markp451a, #318, showing two shots of Lightnings at low level.

    The first is copyright David Henchie, and the story behind it was printed in our magazine, the Lightning Review, in November 2000. For those of you with an interest in the stories behind the photographs, here it is.

    LIGHTNINGS AT AKROTIRI – A SATCO REMEMBERS!

    It seems a long time ago now, but my years as SATCO at Akrotiri (1981 to 1983) were amongst the most enjoyable of my 30 odd years in the Air Force. I arrived just as the main runway resurfacing was being completed, and the first detachment of UK aircraft to arrive was a squadron of Buccaneers. There had just been a seasonal deluge and the runway was wet, if not actually flooded, and the first two aircraft landed and disappeared off into the bundoo as a result of the total lack of braking action! Consequently, the runway had to be ‘grooved’ from end to end before APCs restarted in earnest.

    The start of my tour coincided with the arrival of a new Squadron Leader Ops – Henri Ploszec – who was an ex-Lightning Pilot of note, on his second if not third tour of duty at Akrotiri!. Already completely ‘hooked’ on Lightnings, I came to appreciate that aircraft more and more over the next 2 years, as 5 and 11 Squadrons returned annually for the APCs (Armanent Practice Camps). I was amazed that the Lightning boys always seemed to win the annual gunnery trophies against the best of the Phantom Squadrons. It seemed to me that any aircraft that carried a Navigator was bound to be superior, given that Navigators (and indeed air traffic controllers) told pilots where to go! Yes, you have guessed it – I was both!

    The picture of a 5 Squadron Lightning on a Lo go-around (overshoot) to the parallel taxiway at Akrotiri -Operation Block-off – occurred as 5 Squadron departed for UK at the end of their 1983 APC. The Squadron Commander was about to hand over command on his return to UK, and he led a 4 ship flypast. As a Wing Commander, his over-shoot was impeccably correct at 200ft. His number two was a flight commander and he came past at about 100ft, whilst number 3, a Canadian exchange officer as far as I can remember, was just a little bit lower. No 4, and the last of the stream, was a Flying Officer known as ‘Kiwi’, and he made his approach almost to touch-down (which was expressly forbidden) before cleaning up and executing his over-shoot. As the photograph shows (taken from the top of the Tower) he was on full bore with the air brakes still extended, and he appears to have been unable to rotate because of his high angle of attack and relatively slow airspeed. He built up speed until the airfield boundary before getting the airbrakes in and climbing away. When the photograph was developed, Henri would not let me show it to anyone, let alone the Station Commander John Willis, for fear of getting ‘Kiwi’ the sack….! The last I heard of this young man was that he had been posted on to Hercs!

    Now, some 17 years later, having just retired form the IWM Duxford where I was Head of Airfield Services and Air Display Director for the past 10 years, I bemoan the fact that there are no Lightnings flying in the UK. They were, and are, the most exciting aircraft that I have ever watched, and I remain in awe of those pilots who intentionally strapped such a rocket machine to their ‘derrières’ without a second thought. Never in the field…………..!
    S. David Henchie
    Squadron Leader, RAF retd.

    Here’s another shot of the same aeroplane without being cropped. Sorry about the quality, it’s the best I can get. David and Heather produced these two photographs as Christmas cards and I bought a large number to send to everyone that year. They certainly stood out on the mantlepiece amongst the Santas and robins and 18th century coaching scenes!

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190520&stc=1&d=1290944937

    While I’m in my Pictures file, here’s another of a Lightning of the Binbrook Wing displaying with a very low flypast. It may be from a Families Day or show put on for visiting brass, as I don’t think this altitude would be tolerated by an airshow officer at a show attended by the general public. I don’t know who has copyright on this but if anyone recognises it please get in touch.

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=190521&stc=1&d=1290944937

    The second shot on markp451a’s post is one I’ve never seen before and doesn’t look right to me. I’m not a photographer, but compared with the rest of the shot the Lightning is very sharply defined and the colours are much brighter. It looks as though the Lightning has been superimposed on the photograph, but does anyone have any further info on it?

    Finally, as someone new to the forum, can someone advise me how you see photographs or videos on a post where there is no apparent way of doing so. One guy might write ‘Here’s a shot of a Canberra low over a lake’ but there’s no photograph and no link. However, other people seem to have been able to see it because of their comments in subsequent posts. What am I missing?

    in reply to: Lightning XR724 (2007 thread) #1137270
    Charles Ross
    Participant

    Lightning XR724

    OK, the next part of my posts concerns the problems of running the engineering team. First rule on this post, however, is no names, no pack drill, for obvious reasons.

    Over the years we’ve had a wide variety of volunteers working on ‘724, ranging from very experienced line-served engineers in all trades such as airframes, engines, avionics, armourer etc through guys with allied but non-aviation skills such as experienced engineers and electricians to people with no engineering knowledge whatsoever but lots of enthusiasm.

    The obvious question is ‘Where are they now?’ Well, firstly, Binbrook is pretty far off the beaten track compared with most of the other running projects, so when we’ve lost guys they’ve not been easy to replace with others who live within a sensible commuting distance.

    In recent years, we have had offers from some members of other groups to come up and give us a day of their time on ‘724, but while we are deeply appreciative of this, the travelling time involved to get here and home again means that we might only get half a day of work in, and we’re not in a position to pay for overnight accommodation, meals, petrol etc which we would consider an absolute minimum to be fair if people stayed over for a second day at a weekend. It would also really only be efficient if such an effort were targeted at a problem which had been identified and ‘724 prepared for the work by our own engineers so that anyone arriving could get to work immediately in support of the home team, not in place of it.

    Secondly, we lost guys for all sorts of unavoidable reasons which meant that their personal lives had to be given priority. Moving to other areas, illness, bereavement, relationship problems, financial problems, employment problems – you name it, we’ve lost members of the engineering team to it. All these guys are adults and volunteers and started working with the Association as an interesting way of spending their leisure time, but when the solids hit the fan, home and family have to come first and time and resources once spent on us have been diverted elsewhere. I don’t know if other groups have had the same problems or if they’re all composed of healthy, happily married guys in secure jobs with high incomes, but we’re not.

    We also lost some guys to other projects, although I don’t have any axe to grind on that. It’s their life, and if they feel that working on aircraft running more frequently than ours or even flyers, well, good luck. I fully understand and respect their decisions. Sure, I didn’t exactly break open a magnum of Moet et Chandon, as it always meant the loss of a good engineer, but the attitude you have to have is to thank them for their efforts, keep in touch and make it clear that there’s always a place for them back at Binbrook if things don’t work out. I even bought shares in ‘724 with my own money for a couple of the key guys who left us, partly to says thanks for their efforts and partly to keep a link between us.

    However, it wasn’t always civilised and mutually respectful. My approach for most of the time, was to let the engineers have a loose rein, as we all knew and accepted that I had no relevant experience in respect of working on the aeroplane. As I said, these guys were all adults and volunteers, and I hoped they had enough mutual respect and common sense to form a chain of command based on experience and leadership. Most did, but a few didn’t, and it only took the attitudes of those few to lose us a lot of good guys who weren’t prepared to work with professionals who didn’t recognise their limitations, idiots, amateurs or people who tried their best to kill themselves, or other people, or damage the aeroplane. This is typical of the sort of thing I had to try to manage.

    1) One engineer used to blank another guy every time they met. Nobody else knew why, including the victim. When you give up your time to go up to the hangar to work week after week after week and another member of the team walks past within a metre of you, looking straight ahead as though you don’t exist, you don’t hang around, do you? Then he moved on to someone else. We lost several good guys because of that.

    2) An experienced engineer was running the engines at an Open Day. The reheats had not been checked and tested since the new engines and jetpipes had been installed, and at the briefing beforehand it was agreed that we do not use reheat. However, with no warning, one engine was briefly put into reheat. Sure, the noise and burst of flame from the jetpipe was spectacular and the crowd loved it, but it lost the datum on the reheat pipe petals and that information took a long time to recover.

    3) A completely inexperienced guy wanted to do various things BY HIMSELF and with nobody else in attendance – move the aeroplane with the tractor in spite of the fact that Binbrook is not a flat airfield and the tractor at that time had no brakes on it; install the battery and power up the cockpit, no doubt wearing his flying suit and squadron patches; and, after seeing it run once by other people, wanted to connect, start and run the Artouste (a small jet engine mounted on a chassis feeding bleed air into the Lightning’s Palouste connection to run some of the aircraft systems). We managed to intercept him and stop him each time, particularly before he was able to send the Artouste accelerating rapidly down the runway and into a fireball.

    4) Two very experienced engineers were trying to locate a problem with a solenoid involved in the reheat system and one proposed to remove the No.1 (lower) jetpipe, crawl up the fuselage below the No.2 engine and have the other guy start the upper engine and engage reheat, while the guy sitting right underneath it poked around and tried to free off whatever was causing the snag. I was called by another member of the team who quite correctly thought this was suicidal – we all know the reputation of the Lightning for fuel and hydraulic leaks and subsequent fires – and I vetoed the plan over the phone. I then got one of the worst earfuls of abuse I’ve ever received, directed mainly at my lack of technical knowledge against his vast amount, but certainly not forgetting my character, ancestry and sexual orientation, and despite my just having given this guy an old Montego I had no use for, free, he hung up. The two guys never came back to work on ‘724.

    There was a lot more. What none of these people realised was that if something went wrong and there was damage, injury or even death to a member of the team or the public, we were only covered by insurance if we had done everything reasonably. If I had sanctioned something risky and someone had died when it went wrong, they wouldn’t have come after the Lightning Association for compensation, because the Association had no assets. They would have come after me. For me read my house, my bank account, my car, my property, my business, yes, even my Lightnings. I’d have been an organ donor, Jacqueline would have been down the docks every night in head to toe La Perla and Alex would have sold to childless millionaires. But these cretins couldn’t get this through their thick skulls.

    So, here’s where I accept full responsibility for my part of the current situation. I should have been far more ruthless and chopped out the problem-makers early on. I didn’t, because good engineers were not exactly thick on the ground in North Lincolnshire, but with the benefit of hindsight we would have retained far more competent guys and probably still had a good engineering team and a currently running aeroplane if I had done what I would have done in a heartbeat in a work situation and fired the bad apples in the barrel before they affected the others. Nobody else had the authority to do that except me, and that part of mismanagement is therefore down to me alone. Sorry.

    Right now, we have only one engineer actively able to work regularly on ‘724, but we still retain contact with some others. If this thread can encourage others to come on board, we may be able to reform a decent team. I’d appreciate any response from anyone who is prepared to pitch in, especially anyone with previous Lightning or aviation engineering experience.

    Next post when I get the time but right now I’m not doing too well in the old cardiorespiratory department and it’s getting worse rather more rapidly than I’m comfortable with. The next post will be titled ‘What other people want us to do with XR724’. Be prepared for everything from pure naked greed to the hopeless dreams of organisms with an IQ somewhere below that of primeval slime.

    in reply to: Lightning XR724 (2007 thread) #1152486
    Charles Ross
    Participant

    Lightning XR724

    Before the next post on ‘724, a couple of replies.

    Salad Fingers – took me a while to make the connection about photographs 15 years ago, but the penny eventually dropped. The space reserved for them on the walls of the Lightning room is still there, so if you have any spare time the offer to buy them holds. I can resend the list if you like. In the meantime, many thanks for your good wishes and support and one day you must tell me how you came by your username – there’s got to be a story there!

    Benyboy – the girls loved it and they were all at Binbrook as my guests when ‘724 flew in. Let’s face it, for a bunch of pretty girls stuck in an office, aviation (and a few aviators) make a nice change from filling in vaccination records and writing letters. They were all size 8-10 because that was the size of the uniforms I had available. At least, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

    Peter, Bruce and LightningMk6, many thanks for your patience and kind words, much appreciated.

    Heading21 – Well, what can I say? You’re not prepared to offer your help but you are apparently prepared to offer your advice. OK, let’s have it, and let the forum decide whether your way is better than mine. I think ‘Put up or shut up’ is the traditional term.

    OK, so ‘724 has flown in and we are in the same position as other groups who got theirs direct. Wrong! We were for a short time, but the ejection seat had to go back and, more importantly, Barry decided he wanted his engines back. That was all fair enough as far as it went, but Barry also decided that he wanted our jetpipes on loan, which he said were now ‘matched’ to his engines and would make the task of getting his own aeroplane flying much easier. I don’t know whether or not that was a fairy story – perhaps some of the engineers out there can tell me – but as he had given us so much help I drew up a proper loan agreement which was signed and witnessed and gave permission for him to take the jetpipes as well.

    Unfortunately, and unknown to me at the time, he also asked to borrow, and was given by one of our engineering team, the Form 700, which he said would be good evidence of his competence to place before the CAA. Why a photocopy would not have sufficed I don’t know, but, as I said, it happened without my knowledge. The jetpipes had been fitted brand new just before ‘724 left Warton to fly into Shawbury and were without doubt the lowest-houred, documented jetpipes in existence. Once safely back at Exeter, however, Barry then told us that unless we paid his CAA costs for the flight that never happened, we would not get the jetpipes and Form 700 back, and since that was financially impossible we never did. Those jetpipes went out to South Africa and Barry probably still has the Form 700 to this day. As said about Pover before, all this is fully documented in past issues of the Lightning Review and is all in the public domain.

    So, we have a dead jet, but only temporarily. Cutting a long and fraught story short, I found and purchased a seat with my own money and this was duly installed. I also managed to successfully tender for three air-lifed and documented engines in an MoD disposal sale, and when we got them back to Binbrook, two were installed in ‘724 and one is still here in its box untouched. We also eventually managed to source the necessary jetpipes, and these were also installed to finally bring ‘724 back to life. It wasn’t easy and it wasn’t cheap, but we did it.

    Many people have understandably asked why, with so much hangarage available, XR724 is currently outside. That’s a good question. When she flew in, the airfield was owned by MoD and although unmanned, was still designated as a reserve airfield. We now understand that before the first Gulf War when thousands of casualties were expected, Binbrook was going to be reactivated to receive the many expected dead. This was why one pitch-black night, not knowing this, I went up to walk round the airfield with a little head torch because Furz Lloyd had said it would be OK and to check out the firedump for possible parts. As I came back past the tower I heard an engine and saw headlights racing across the runway in my direction. It sounded like a Land Rover but it was moving very fast. For a fraction of a second I toyed with the idea of ducking behind the tower but my brain stuck ‘possible military’ in front of ‘Land Rover’ and the IRA were very active at that time. In consequence, I stood there like a lemon between the tower and the hangars and the Land Rover screeched to a halt with me squinting against the headlights. Four soldiers jumped out and immediately knelt in the firing position pointing their weapons at me.

    At this point I resolved to have a bit of a chat with Furz on my return, if I ever did return. ‘Who the xxxx are you?’ came the challenge. ‘I’m the Chairman of the Lightning Association’ I responded. OK, what would you have said? Two soldiers remained in the firing position while the other two cautiously approached me, one from each side and still with weapons aimed. After eventually assuring themselves that I was a harmless eccentric and not trying to blow up the tower, I was bodily thrown in the back of the Land Rover, taken to the crash gate and thrown right over the top. It was quite painful. The guys roared back off into the night with a final rejoinder that if they ever saw me again they’d shoot my tackle off as a lesson to me. I’m sure they would have. Now you don’t get that sort of thing at Bruntingthorpe!

    Anyway, back to ‘724 and hangarage. The following is the story as best I can remember it. At that time Richard Lake was running his Global Aviation restoration of the ex-RAF Jet Provosts in the 5 Sqn hangar and very kindly gave us a corner. In return, we (well, Phil Wallis) helped him with some airframe repairs to flying condition standard. That continued for some time, and this enabled us to initially run ‘724 regularly with Barry’s engines and, when they were removed, to install the engines and jetpipes we bought.

    However, the writing was on the wall as far as MoD ownership of Binbrook was concerned. It had originally been purchased in 1940 under the Crichel-Down Agreement. Although an absolutely fair price was paid for the land, the Agreement stated that if MoD ever wanted to dispose of the airfield, the original farming families (there were 3 or 4 of them) who had owned any part of the airfield had to be given first refusal to repurchase their land. However, the Agreement also said that the land had to be returned in its original condition. Now, this was clearly impossible, as apart from the hangars, runway and peri-track, the site is crossed by hundreds of cable runs, drains, culverts etc and the cost would be astronomical. So, these affairs end with each side trying to negotiate the best deal possible for themselves, and that is what happened at Binbrook.

    At first, things went well. We introduced ourselves to the farming company taking over the hangars and were allowed to stay inside without rent. Once again, something had gone right for us and we were extremely grateful to some very enlightened guys. I’m not sure whether or not we moved at one time from the 5 Sqn hangar to the ASF hangar – I think we did – but we were still under cover.

    However, at that time there was a local authority purge on businesses not paying rates, and inspectors investigated the Technical Site where a number of small operations such as car repairs, paint shop, wood products etc had sprung up. Unfortunately, they also managed to see into our hangar although it was shut and padlocked, but you could just see ‘724 through the crack between the doors. At that time there was no other machinery stored there, just us, and it’s possible that no rates were being paid by the owner as he wasn’t using it. It was quite a shock a few days later to receive a business rates demand for the area of the hangar which the authority estimated we occupied, £4,800 for six months, payable every six months. As we didn’t have £4,800, I was told that they would come after me for it.

    As you may understand, being Chairman of the Lightning Association has not been without its stresses. Once again, cutting a long story short, I found out that any business rates demand is made up of small parts from a number of departments. I then started going round all the departments in turn, pleading and cajoling, emphasising the local history importance of the aeroplane and calling in some good will as well, since quite a few people involved were my clients. Eventually I got it down to £250 for the previous six months, which we had to pay, but we didn’t have the money to go on doing this indefinitely and we knew the inspections would continue, so XR724 had to come out into open storage.

    At this point I attempted to buy one of the buildings on the Technical Site, again with my own money, as the Association, as always, had very little. The building was of corrugated iron construction on a framework and was tall enough and wide enough to accommodate a Lightning, although we would have had to have taken one end off and manufactured ‘hangar’ doors to enable her to get in and out. Unfortunately, however, the owners refused to sell the building although they were prepared to lease it to me for a minimum period of five years at a rent of £5,000 per annum, a commitment of £25,000. Of course, as soon as we occupied it, business rates would become applicable again and I would be completely liable. It just wasn’t a viable plan.

    The farming company then pulled out of Binbrook and new owners bought various parts and used them for different things. It’s been difficult at times to know who owns what, as people are understandably cagey about commercial secrets, but the hangars, including the QRA sheds, were variously used for machinery storage, grain storage, sugar storage, furniture-making and, after refrigeration equipment had been installed, storage of the carcases of foot and mouth infected cattle until sufficient incineration facilities could be arranged for their eventual disposal. Anyway, there was no room for us anywhere. However, I did manage to get permission to put her nose-first into the opening to the crash equipment bay, which meant that the canopy was under cover although the main fuselage was still in the open. Still, it was the best we could do.

    Then in around 2005 the 5 Sqn hangar was bought by a company which initially thought it had purchased the Lightning as part of the deal and were a bit upset to be told this was not the case. We kept our heads down, but after some time were eventually sent a bill for around £4,000 for rental of the patch of concrete we occupied on the pan. Once again, this was going to come out of Alex’s inheritance. At this point, however, and mainly through the sterling efforts of John Watson, we met the new owner and established good relations with him, and since then he has been extremely supportive and helpful. He was using the hangar for storage of heavy machinery, but we were allowed back inside at the back of the hangar. Unfortunately, we were soon completely hemmed in by machinery and not only couldn’t get her outside to run (as the rear doors had been completely welded shut to avoid vandalism) but couldn’t do any work on her. The engineers took the view that being inside was more important than running her, and that is how it remained for some time.

    However, the owner asked if it would be possible to get her running again as he felt it would be something which his customers would find very interesting, so as we owed him a big favour we cut the rear doors open and eventually managed to free them from the accumulation of rubbish, rust and other things (a brick wall had been built across the doors on the outside) and ‘724 was pulled out into the open again. The space she had occupied was rapidly filled with equipment, and that area was no longer available to us. Since then she has been in open storage.

    At the time of writing, parts of Binbrook are now in the process of changing hands again, and once again we shall have to establish good relations with a new owner, and so it goes on. Perhaps we shall get under cover again, perhaps not. Over the years I have had a number of projects which may have led to us getting our own building, but they either came to nothing or I couldn’t afford it (and it would have been my money). I could have had a RHUB hangar from Bristol, but it would have cost £65,000 ex site and I would have had to pay transportation and erection costs. There was a possibility of an ex-MoD Kevlar hangar, but that fell through. For much of these negotiations, it has not been possible to go public about them, either then or now, but for those of you who think we have been sitting doing nothing about hangarage, that’s not been the case.

    Another problem is that due mainly to the efforts of a particular councillor who had a bee in his bonnet about the airfield, Binbrook has now been declared an area of outstanding natural beauty and permission for any building, if granted (and that’s far from certain) would have a height restriction of ‘not more than a double decker bus’. Now, that would just fit over the canopy and spine, but not the fin. Nevertheless, I have a cunning plan, but I can’t tell you about it yet. However, I will say that it’s probably the most likely plan so far for ‘724 to eventually be under cover which we control. Watch this space.

    Next post – the problems of manpower and man management.

    in reply to: Lightning XR724 (2007 thread) #1089149
    Charles Ross
    Participant

    Lightning XR724

    Yet again here we are with Mr Ross trying to hide behind the fact of no action is not his fault. For many years it has been his job to do what is best for 724 maybe this is his idea of how you look after an ex military jet and the rest of us have got it all wrong? As an ex ASF Tech I once came to your place a few years ago with a rather sad 725 sat in your garden to offer my service, I gave you my details and trades and I heard nothing from you and by the sound of it many others too! Stop living in the past we all know how 724 got to Binbrook! The only part we dont know is how you will let her end up?

    OK, Heading21, while I’m currently putting together a post on the hangarage situation at Binbrook, I’ll try to answer your points. I had originally intended to do this at the end of the posts, going through the various contributors and trying to answer anything which had not been covered already in my posts, but since you’ve made these points, here goes.

    Firstly not everyone knows how XR724 got to Binbrook. I think it’s pretty obvious from this thread that many people out there have no idea whatsoever about its ownership, its recent history or anything else. Not everyone commenting here is going to be a specific Lightning enthusiast or member of a Lightning group – there will certainly be general aviation guys who have logged on out of interest and probably wouldn’t have posted anything if they didn’t want to find out more. That’s what I’m trying to do.

    Secondly, if you would wait until I’ve finished you’ll understand that I accept that we’ve made mistakes, both me and others in the Association, and by telling the full story of the various aspects of ‘724 after we bought her, it will be easier for those with no or only a little knowledge to understand what we did and why we did it.

    However, it has NOT been my job to look after her, if by looking after her you mean the physical maintenance of the aeroplane. I’m a veterinary surgeon, not an engineer, and I got involved out of interest and because even at that early stage, and I’m talking about twenty years ago, the Lightning Association was folding up. Using my own secretarial staff at the surgery, I was able to bring an admin component to the Association which it had never had and began the Lightning Review, which I hope you will agree was a really good publication and sustained our membership for many years. When I took over we had less than 100 members and when the Association was at its highest point we had over 500, so I must have done something right.

    Looking after her has always been the duty of the engineers who have been available to us at any one time, and with one or two exceptions involving safety, I have never over-ruled them. More of that later. It may surprise you to know that in all the time ‘724 has been at Binbrook, and despite my position as Chairman and a shareholder, I have never once sat in the cockpit, because that is a place for the engineers, not me.

    Re your trip to Binbrook, many people have come to see me at Binbrook, often simply turning up at the door out of the blue and without a prior call. Jacqueline and I have even given some of them dinner and put them up for the night when they have come from a long way away (New Zealand, without any prior call, was the furthest). I obviously don’t know who you are, as I only have your username on the post, but if you’re anything like the usual visitor I would have shown you round ‘725 and the buildings, including the simulator and, if it had been there at the time, the cockpit of XS899. I would have taken you up to the Lightning Room and shown you the little museum there and explained how we came by the exhibits and the stories attached to them. When you left, I would have probably given you a couple of back issues of the Lightning Review as a souvenir of your visit. Certainly if you had called before coming, you would have had anything from 1-2 hours of my time. In consequence, it’s rather sad to read your comments above. If you had given me your contact details as an engineer, I would have passed them on to somebody in our engineering team and asked them to record them and make contact. Perhaps this didn’t happen, for whatever reason. If so, I apologise and would ask you to contact me again and let’s make a new start.

    Finally, XR725 is situated under a lot of trees and tends to get a bit greened up by the surrounding foliage. You may have visited at a time when this was the case and, if so, she probably did look a bit sad. At the moment, however, she has been pressure-washed and sprayed all over with WD40, so is looking quite good. Anyway, is it better that she looks a bit ‘sad’ from time to time or that she was turned into saucepans? That would have been the alternative.

    Anyway, Heading21, I’ve apologised to you and I invite you to come out from behind your username and shake hands. Perhaps out of this forum we can reconstruct a decent engineering team, which we haven’t had for a very long time. That would be good. Over to you, mate.

    in reply to: Lightning XR724 (2007 thread) #1090204
    Charles Ross
    Participant

    Lightning XR724

    Part two. OK, so the situation is that we have bought a Lightning at RAF Shawbury, but we have problems. Number one is that the clock is already running on the 28 days to get her out. Number two is that every other Lightning in operational condition in the UK came with a piloted flight into the airfield of the purchaser’s choice as part of the deal. Not ours. Number three is that our Lightning has no engines or ejection seat. Nobody else had these problems.

    The decision at Binbrook on the day of purchase was that we would try to fly her out. The engineering work would be done by members of the Lightning Association and Barry Pover’s Lightning Flying Club, with Barry in charge on the ground at Shawbury reporting to me as overall Project Manager. Barry was going to loan us two zero-timed Avons from his assets and Mick Cameron, who was a senior armourer at Wattisham, was going to rebuild an ejection seat from a bare pan. My job was to ensure that it all happened and that all the people who would eventually have to be involved, from directors of British Aerospace to the runway sweepers at Binbrook, all did their bit, on time, and all as complete volunteers. It had to cost us virtually nothing, because we had virtually nothing.

    At that time, Barry was trying to rebuild XS451 to flying condition and having problems convincing the CAA that he was competent to do so, as the aircraft he had worked on as a CAA certified engineer (Beech King Air etc) were not Mach 2 jets. His Lightning was being recovered from instructional airframe status, whereas ours had been flown into Shawbury from Warton and had simply had the engines and seat removed, remaining since in a climate-controlled hangar. Barry was prepared to put in the time, as if we managed to fly ‘724 out under his engineering control, it could do nothing but good for his efforts to persuade the CAA to let him fly ‘451. (Sadly, ‘451 eventually flew in South Africa as ZU-BEX and was lost with its pilot, Dave Stock, one of the best, while attempting to recover to Bredasdorp AFB during the Overberg Airshow after Dave lost control of the flying surfaces due to fire).

    My first task was to secure an extension to the 28 days, as it was going to be impossible to do anything in that time. Apart from installing the engines and seat, we would have to do all the ground functionals, undercarriage retraction on jacks etc etc and at this stage we didn’t even know if we would be allowed on the base at all, never mind work on the aeroplane. My first letter to the MoD guy in charge of the disposals was not good news. 28 days was 28 days and we had to be out. This would have meant cutting off the wings and fin, ending any chance of flying or even taxying again.

    At this point, I learnt two valuable lessons in aviation. Number one – never give up, and number two – if you can get the person with executive authority on your side, you can achieve virtually anything. So, I wrote to the base commander, explained who I was and what I was trying to do. I told him the situation with MoD. I got a letter back saying that as long as he commanded the base we would have as much time as we needed to recover ‘724 for flight and we would have as much access to the airfield and its facilities as we required. It was a great day and a fantastic example of what enlightened RAF officers can do to maintain public support for the Service in these difficult times.

    So, recovery for flight began. Despite RAF help on the ground, the Permit to Fly depended on the CAA and their time even in those days was costed at £150 per man-hour spent considering any project. We didn’t have that sort of money, so Barry Pover agreed to cover that if I gave him exclusive control of contact with CAA on our project, as he didn’t want the Head of Applications at CAA to be phoned up by a variety of different people all asking the same questions. This seemed reasonable, so I agreed to that as long as I was kept in the information loop at all times.

    It took many months of intensive effort, but eventually the good news was that the engines and seat were installed and that British Aerospace signed off the airframe and Rolls-Royce signed off the engines as serviceable. The bad news was that the CAA would not issue the Permit to Fly, although I had been told by Barry that they would. In consequence, I had arranged with the Vulcan boys for XH558 to be up for an air test on the same morning as ‘724 was supposed to depart Shawbury. Of course, formation flying had to be authorised with the appropriate people, but if two aircraft happened to occupy the same area of sky at the same time by pure coincidence…… It would have been fantastic to have seen the Vulcan and Lightning overfly Binbrook, Scampton and Waddington at the same time, but it never happened. The CAA had never agreed anything, and the rest of that story is included in past issues of the Lightning Review. If you want to know what happened, read them. It’s all in the public domain.

    So, back to square one, but remember my valuable lessons in aviation. I then wrote to Sir Graham Day, then Chairman of British Aerospace, and again explained who I was, what we had done and what had happened to date. I asked if there was any mechanism within the Company by which ‘724 could be recovered to Binbrook. I will never forget the two-line letter which I received by return. It read: ‘Dear Mr Ross, I have instructed my military aviation division to put themselves at your disposal to recover your Lightning to RAF Binbrook.’ Like Winston Churchill at the beginning of WWII, the right man with the necessary vision had been in the right place at the right time. The next day I was contacted by senior management at BAe who simply said that Sir Graham had told them to recover our aircraft and what would I like them to do. Another great day and another great decision by a great man.

    In the event, XR724 was flown back to Binbrook by Peter Gordon-Johnson, Deputy Chief Test pilot of BAe and the same pilot who had flown ‘724 into Shawbury on its ‘final flight’. At our request, RAF Scampton temporarily reinstalled the RHAG (which had been removed) in case of chute failure and provided a mobile Air Traffic unit and fire and ambulance cover, yet another decision by an enlightened RAF base commander which gained the Service enormous public support and approval.

    There’s still a great deal of what happened which is confidential and cannot be told, but on a grey day on the Windy Hill, ‘724 broke cloud to the north and flew down the Binbrook runway and, after doing flypasts at Scampton, Waddington, Wattisham and Coningsby, touched down at the spiritual home of the Lightning in front of an enormous crowd and shut down its engines after back-tracking down the runway to taxy back to the ASF pan past the old Bomb Dump and into the 5 Sqn line where it was received by Phil Wallis, Mick Cameron and Geoff Commins. We had taken a dead shell and returned it to life and to the air, proving that it was possible for a group of professional engineers to come together from their various occupations and prepare an aircraft of this complexity for flight, to the complete satisfaction of the Design Authority and the engine manufacturer.

    At this point, and at this point only, the Lightning Association was at the same stage as the other civilian purchasers of operational Lightnings, but only after achievements which, I think it is fair to say, many could only have dreamed of. Since then, some have done far more than we have been able to do, but perhaps this might put into perspective some of the subsequent requests from people who never went through these trials and tribulations for us to scrap her and give away her heart and, with it, that of the Association.

    Part three to follow.

    in reply to: Lightning XR724 (2007 thread) #1090544
    Charles Ross
    Participant

    Lightning XR724

    As Chairman of the Lightning Association and the subject of some comment on this forum, I’d like to answer some of the questions posed by members. Clearly they won’t satisfy everyone, but they will at least mean that you are all better informed about ‘724 and will hopefully understand some of the problems we have faced and currently face. For ease of reading, I’ll probably do this in a series of posts.

    Ownership and custodianship. The aeroplane was originally purchased by tender from MoD by a LA member who realised immediately that he was not equipped to do anything with it. I don’t think he really expected his bid to be successful, but it was. As those of you who do these things know, you then have 28 days to get your purchase off MoD land or they charge you enormous penalties. However, this fortunately coincided with one of the Lightning Association Rally Open Days at Binbrook, where most of the LA movers and shakers were present, and we took an immediate decision to repurchase it by means of a share scheme. The second important decision of the day was to try if at all possible to recover it from Shawbury to Binbrook in an operational state, ie. without cutting it, but more of that later.

    I drew up the terms of the scheme which were for a share capital of £10,000 to cover the costs of the aircraft, its transportation to Binbrook and something towards its maintenance when we got it there. Because of previous experience with other groups where guys who had worked on a project for years had the membership of their group swamped by friends of one person, who was then voted in as chairman and threw the others out, then claiming ownership of the assets, I included a ‘Golden Share’ whereby the Executive of the Lightning Association could veto a majority shareholder decision to manage or dispose of XR724 in what the Executive and/or the majority of the membership might consider an inappropriate manner. Additionally, a number of shares are owned by the Association and their voting rights are exerted by the Executive, but apart from that there are approximately 75 individual shareholders, several with more than one share.

    We never anticipated having to use this power, and we never have, but it has, I believe, been behind some of the more vitriolic posts about ‘724, both here and elsewhere, which have severely criticised its condition, forecast a rapid deterioration and said effectively that failure to break it and donate all its operational parts and equipment to another group which has or hopes to have operational Lightnings would be a crime against Lightning heritage. I have also had many, many conversations, telephone calls and e-mails on the subject, and while I can understand and even sympathise with their point of view, their misapprehension is that as the long-term Chairman of the Association I can and will use the Golden Share to over-ride everyone else and break the aeroplane.

    In my opinion, whatever my own feelings on the subject, that would be completely unethical unless the situation was critical, and I don’t think it is. I have spoken to many of our members and shareholders on this and to date, the shareholders have not indicated to us that they want to break XR724. Those of us remaining here at Binbrook are its custodians, on behalf of the shareholders, who are the owners. As I hope you can see, disposal of the aeroplane and its assets is not, for legal, ethical, moral and (as I hope to show later) practical reasons the simple executive decision some people think I have the ability to carry out.

    One final point on this post. A number of people have implied and even named Ray Whiteley as part of the intransigent group at Binbrook who won’t give up our valuable assets. This is completely unfair and probably libellous. Ray’s main effort over the past 20 years has been to try to establish a Binbrook Airfield Heritage Centre, catering for all the units and types which ever flew from here. Lightnings are only a part of that and much of his work has been to establish and preserve memorials to those who served at Binbrook and, in particular, the men of 460 Squadron RAAF, for many of whom the ground at Binbrook was the last they trod. Ray has his own T.5 rebuild project, but although we support his efforts and he ours, he is not and never has been a member of the Executive and has absolutely no say in what happens to XR724. Ray’s organisation is called the Lincolnshire Aircraft Preservation Trust (Lincair) and he has done a fantastic amount of work in establishing good relations with the various owners of the airfield and local councils and authorities. Say what you like about me, guys, but Ray doesn’t deserve it.

    OK, enough for now, my next post will be on what happened after we bought ‘724 and why she has gone from a flying aeroplane to the way she is now.

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