Marcellogo@haavarla
Full 3D , it seems.
The presence of all-aspect nozzle radically distinguishes the engine of the MiG-35 from engines with variable thrust vectoring AL-31FP is installed on the heavy su-30SM. Older brothers it is a single design. While the “MiG” is two separate units.
Marcellogo@ Sintra
I dont read Russian, but doesnt that contradicts this:
Although it was previously offered to India with Phazotron-NIIR Zhuk-A AESA radar, the Russian military preferred the less-advanced Zhuk variant with slotted array. It can track up to 30 airborne targets at a range of 99 mi. (160 km)
http://aviationweek.com/defense/mig-…mig-35-fighterCheers
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Marcellogo@MiG-31bm.
That not the same as your original post. You said F-35 has many great capabilities of US fighters combined but the rest of the world enjoyed the same capabilities from Mig-29A onwards. That is like saying PAK-FA has good high speed performance but the US already enjoyed similar capabilities from F-15A onwards
To say it all what you say it’s more than true: the F-15A has a maximum velocity superior to all the planes around (ok, all fighters because the Foxbat and the Foxhould are all another ballpark) so it is the true Paragon in this single characteristic.
It is not that because it came from America that I would not recognize its own peculiar qualities out of spite.
About the F-35 I would frankly be surprised if a plane that first flied in 2006 had not a flight performance envelope comparable or even superior to planes that are around from thirdy years ago onward.
First plane to have a comparable (note that the word doesn’t means identical) envelope was, as far I know the Mig-29, someone contested that about the max AoA and other replied better that I can ever do, so let’s skip tha A model of Fulcrum for cut as long story short and let’s say that the first one was the Su-27 and the F/A-18 that has those high AOA characteristics although being limited to 7,5 g in the horizontal, came immediately after.
MarcellogoLet me again to cite myself, so to answer to J Frazier and so to allow us to pass over the thing.
When someone write
the more, the less
and
from Mig-29A onward
one should understand that the point is about a continuing trend, not about the performance of just one plane or even better to the initial full scale version of it.
That’s however if he is really there to discuss and not just for making chauvinistic remarks or keep on taking part to some sort of male reproductive organ measurement contest.
So, from the introduction of the MiG-29A and the Su-27 there has been a constant effort to expand the flight envelope of fighters planes in all directions but above all in the direction of noise pointing , high AoA and slow speed handling.
This kind of performances are what are called 4,5 generation in Western Europe and 4 generation+ and now even ++ in Russian, marking with those terms a difference with the previous 4 gen ones that instead was centered more on horizontal turning.
The Hornets fall into that designation? IMHO yes but with some limitations or better said they are great in the vertical but lack in the horizontal and kinematic part of it, hence why I called the F-35
a plane able to roll as an F-16 in horizontal, having the instantaneous pitch and AOA of a F/A-18 and a F-15 like acceleration and vertical climb capability
meaning it combine in itself the best capability of the US legacy fighters.
That’s a great thing in itself, given that it would take the place of such planes, just worth to mention that such a flight envelope is nothing new or unheard of in this side of Atlantic by almost two or three decades, so maybe some Hyperboles contained in the flight presentation could be avoided just by keeping an eye on what happen in a wider context.
Now anyway, it seems that the display has taken place, together with the one of the Rafale, so let’s talk about the real thing or even better wait for what specialized press will write about the respective performances.
Marcellogo@hopsalot and Mig-31BM
Peopl ,you reallyy read my post or what?
Because you see
if I wrote:
having a plane able to roll as an F-16 in horizontal, having the instantaneous pitch and AOA of a F/A-18 and a F-15 like acceleration and vertical climb capabilities is really a great improvement
It would be obvious that I’m singling out the best capability of each of such plane and I so eagerly expect the F-35 to really being able to get all those single performancestogether. If this is trolling in your eyes…please remove broomstick.
In the same moment when I write:
In USAF arsenal
F/A-18 is singled out also from the beginning.
P.S. Probably here there is a slip of tongue/finger from my part, the Usaf in the first part of post has became Us in second.
Add to it thecaveat I added to avoid to be offended by a post that is just trying to explain because we from Europe seems there not so convinced about certain Hyperbole used in describing a
Solid but absolutely conventional performance
(my own world again) as something out of the ordinary.
The one about the 26° degree limiter however made me raise a few questions about the selective use you sometime made of your sources
as is a fact widely know by decades that the Mig-29A can switch off it a will and their pilots were expected to do so immediately when in combat.
MarcellogoOk, so some obvious hyperbole here… “an afterburner takeoff, almost immediately pointing his nose to the sky and letting the aircraft climb away essentially vertically” is a move uniqueIn USAF arsenal to the F-22 and F-35? Unless there is some fine distinction that didn’t make it into the article I don’t see why that would be.
Fixed it for Ya…
Out of jokes I think it’s a question about the starting point from what you consider the thing.
Certainly the possibility of having a plane able to roll as an F-16 in horizontal, having the instantaneous pitch and AOA of a F/A-18 and a F-15 like acceleration and vertical climb capabilities is really a great improvement on an US legacy plane pilot’s perspective.
The slow speed handling capabilities is also something absolutely new for them , so I can understand the enthusiastic tone used.
For the rest of the world, it’s instead the more, the less all what we got from MiG-29A onward (flight performance wise only, obviously) so a cooler head is just in the order of things…
MarcellogoWhy not?
It’s an huge plane but it’s still a plane, if the plant is big enought to handle it and there is enough money allocated why producing/overhauling 3/4 four-engined 110 tons bombers each year would be more complicated than 50 twin engined Flanker/ Fullbacks like actually happen?
MarcellogoAnd what mean average? It was repeated ad nauseam that all the partecipants would be able to get the planes at the same price , don’t thinkkthat a chute on Norway’s ones would change things so much.
Unless, in those 440 there are some F-35 B by the way?
Marcellogo@ Ryan
For what I know actual level of military spending of Russian federation is about 3% of GDP
And please, just compare the average age of their planes with the ones of USAF and prepare yourself for a surprise.
MarcellogoRussia’s economy is smaller then Italy’s…
You always know when someone has no clue about it when they invoke PPP…I’ll stop here before the mods get twitchy.
The pot calling keetle black there.
How it come than Russia has still the second largest air force of the world and its overall military forces are largely superior to the ones of the (others) five greater European nations ?
And that it is actually in the middle of the whole renovation of its own arsenal?
GDP is a faulty way to measure things, it measure purely the monetary aspect of the economy not the structure of their expenses and relative efficency and the quality of inputs.
A world leading stock exchange in the middle of an industrial and social wasteland can so appear great according to such measurements when compared to some industrial powerhouses but it doesn’t automatically translate into a greater military potential.
PPP it’s just a way to correct this perception but it is not sufficient IMHO as it still remain purely a monetary thing and doesn’t measure how this money really is allocated.
Looking also to budget in comparative terms is wrong, in many countries like Russia and China a great part of the military expense fall into other ministry than to the defense one.
My own country is going in the same direction: our own military budget will reach 0% quota of armament purchases in the next future as all the future hardware would be acquired by the Industry and Development Ministry instead while their development would be financed by the ministry of University and Research.
They would so be considered as Investments and not as Public Expenses so reducing our current deficit (but it turned out also as a more efficient way to allocate money).
Obviously you can do it only with domestically produced things not with imported ones hence why we insisted so much to have our own F-35 assembly line:D.
MarcellogoFor God’s sake, let’s hope not! It’s development was just enough troubled as it was, least thing we need now it’s a pilot taking some risk just for made it look better in an air show.
In case you want to compete with Advanced Flankers and Eurocanards in aerobatics just use the F-22 instead.
MarcellogoNeither I, mine was not intended as a destructive critic, just to state how the F-35 was build over a pattern of military efficency and affordability, not for pulling out stunts for a crowd (not that any other plane was build along those guidelines, obviously).
Marcellogohaavarla’s
Hope no one get offended but the only parts that have really surprised me are the ones with the gear down.
In the sense that you see how powerful the engine is even at very start, the rest is without any doubt a solid but absolutely conventional performance.
MarcellogoNothing, as I have not seen it it in first person and have not the technical competence nor the experience to judge it from a simple video.
MarcellogoLet put it in that way: Germany and Spain, member of the eurofighter program have not taken part to the F-35 one so they would have to find a substitute for their actual legacy planes.
They contacted France, a founding member of Airbus asking them to join.
Such move is quite sound, as all those nation have planes acquired in the ’80 to substitute.
Problems for Spain and Germany is however that France actually look instead to further advancing the Rafale instead of thinking about a completely new item.
The idea that they have to wait for EF to became obsolete is however a false one , like UK and Italy have acquired F-35 they can go toward a two line AF instead, a plane geared more for A2A mission and one for A2G instead.
Uk, Turkey and Japan are instead full time members of the F-35 program so they are looking with a plane with different performances, much more A2A oriented and above all they have a much more relaxed timeline ahead.
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