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  • in reply to: Are Anti-Access weapons overrated? #2171865
    Marcellogo
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    No, you are not being sarcastic you are hiding the hand after throwing the stone.
    I have proposed comparison between a strike pack made by four f-35 with inne load only and one made by three Su-34 with standard load + one with jammers. An open comparison with no a predetermined result between two different approach to the same mission.
    It’s you that have jumped one with the usual ‘Murica behaviour saying that the F-35 will destroy Su-34 with HOJ missiles.
    Have them left their own strike mission to chase them?
    Now, i know that after the F-22 mess your nation is a little bit short in true fighters but to drop their own load abort the mission and come into rescue is not a great way to do things IMHO.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXV #2172008
    Marcellogo
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    Because this is the way they usually do things : they moved their tactical fighters between main base and dispersed airstrips using towing trucks, not with direct flight also.
    Their whole system is radically different from western one.

    in reply to: Are Anti-Access weapons overrated? #2172010
    Marcellogo
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    A conventional attack against a nuclear superpower, how a cute way to end life on our planet.
    Certainly the amount of things that had being added on a 300lbs bomb is appaling but the greater waste IMHO is the fact itself of having converted all the existing A2G stock into guided weapons.
    HOJ is usually an operating mode added to an existing weapon, like on AMRAAM, so it wouldn’t be a great deal but in this case it seems to involve another kit to be added to an already existing (and already overcrowded) weapon and given the above mentioned mentality I greatly fear it would end to be mounted in about all the SDB stock.
    For the rest escort jammers are absolutely needed for operating 4,5gen planes against advanced AD systems, so hardly a waste.
    Let’s make a comparison: four F-35 with only internal load against four Su-34, three with standard load and one with escort jammer package and A2A weapons.
    Who would deliver a greater punch? What change of survival? What cost?

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXV #2172131
    Marcellogo
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    Whats the chance that, as you say its already painted etc. it heads down south straight away to Russian air force tactical training base.
    Then we may have a long wait ???.

    In any case don’t expect any relevant info coming out from Athubinsk. Air force is not interested in advertising a product like a western firm would so things would come out only by political decision.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXV #2172284
    Marcellogo
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    IMHO there are almost two good reason to not showing it:
    6 is the real deal, the one with complete RCS coverage and despite number the first one to spot the novelty they have introduced with the n°7 test bed.
    They are now in a phase in which there are not any need of further showing it: the original commitent ( the armed forces) have accepted the model and are running its own part of the development program (the state tests) and they have not reached the first serial phase, so they are still not ready to show it to possible future customers
    9th may is also near, so probably if they want really to show it up anyway they would wait still the few days neded in order to have maximum possible coverage.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXV #2172741
    Marcellogo
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    I have the impression that we’ll wait…until May 9 almost:eagerness:.

    in reply to: F-35 News and discussion (2016) take III #2173254
    Marcellogo
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    Yeah im glad other programs didnt have problems. Im glad we have never had a falling leaf issue, or a flat spin issue.
    Im glad we havent hada pilot induced occilation resulting in a crash. Im glad other planes arnt lawn darts or thuds. Im glad we haven’t had any planes computer crash after crossing the international date line, or give a Pilot Hypoxia. The F-35 is the 1st plane ever to have issues. Cancel it right away!

    Jessmo23, here you are intentionally twisting what others are saying.
    It was not just some compulsive naysayers but the same MoD i.e. the committent itself of the plane to say that the concurrency thing was the epitome of a failed approach never to be repeated again.
    Yet at this point no one can expect the program to be interrupted, for just the same reason that had led it at such an impasse.
    Simply said having decided to put all eggs in one basket was both the main reason that complicated enormously its own development but also mean there is not any viable alternative to it.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXV #2173545
    Marcellogo
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    http://russianplanes.net/images/to188000/187740.jpg
    http://russianplanes.net/id187740

    If true, it look awesome.

    in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 15 #2173577
    Marcellogo
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    Wow, great news! SR-10 may become the first aircraft designed by the private company and purchased by our Armed Forces! I have only one question, what place will it occupy in the trainers line? Between the Yak-52/152 and Yak-130? Coz i thought Yak-130 is intended to replace whole L-39 fleet.

    It will probably be used like we are planning to do with M-345: it will take the upper part of basic training and the lower of advanced one, Yak-152 (SF-260 EA) would take not only the primary but also the lower part of basic while the Yak-130 (M-346) would take also a consistent number of hours from the much more costly OCU planes.
    Although using three different planes it ends up being more cost efficient (as using more advanced butlesser category trainers consent huge savings) and in the same time both much more easier and complete for the pilots (as passage between the different phases are much smoothier) than the former ones with only two.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXV #2174962
    Marcellogo
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    in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 15 #2174985
    Marcellogo
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    Please , let’s stop talking about India contract.
    What made it so special anyway? They acquired, you say, 22 helos, less that one for any of the states (29+ the Capital) of this immense country.
    They have chosen what was the most mature design atm and in a political moment they were following a politics of rapproachement with the West.
    Iraq has just ordered 30 more Mi-28 from Russia and they are fighting a real war.
    Every customer have their own preferences and priorities. Period.

    Marcellogo
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    The F20 didn’t have inferior system regarding the 16. Nobody wanted this and Northrop was looking for… customers. In fact, Northrop’s engineers had to find a parallel way to make for a powerful radar (as much as the 16 at least) that fitted inside the small nose, with a lower maintenance cost (an hint to who it inspired?). Doing so, they selected a radar that had been rejected by the USAF for the 16 but had a promising potential. This led them through a painfull and costly dev but, at the end, the Radar was so advanced that it dwarfed the one on the 16 in term of range, growth potential and maintenance.
    So much that the Radar was latter integrated on the 16.
    Dassault was then so much interested in the technology that it formed the basis of the … Rafale radar.
    SO much was it that Dassault gained confidence that it could swap the MLU contract on the… F16 fleet.
    So So so much (ouioui) that it led to one of th most despicable scandal in Eu arm sales…

    So, let’s say that in the end, the most countries that had benefited from a “full transfer of technologies [that] such a thing would have not permitted to these nation to advance their own industrial capabilities in any regard” were… the USA, the NATO and France!

    Not personal.. Just that sometime lecturing history is the surest way to make a big… splash šŸ˜‰ *

    Source:
    From my non reliable on board memory and http://www.thecid.com/f20a/index.html

    *and it happens to me often!

    No problems at all, Tomcat, we are all there to learn and discuss not to display our ego.
    So, almost for the radar, F-20 have something of really advanced and infact the radar was taken and developed further, the rest doesn’t find any customer, certainly also because it was boycotted in any way by its own country’s establishment.
    However, I still stand on my word, in the overall, adopting a complete fighter off the shelf was not in the intended customer country long term interest, while developing it with on their own (even with foreign help) certainly was, also in the case the end result would end up being somewhat inferior of what it was initially offered.
    Jf-17 in this is still an halfway solution being still a mainly chinese, not pak thing.

    Marcellogo
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    It could still sell if northrop has a strong media team like the gripen :dev2:

    The small price, big capability gap between the f-20 and f-16 is what doomed it in the end. But still people buy hawk 200s in those times, and it is very expensive for what it is too (with similar catchy “cheap to operate” selling points like the gripen)

    As for newbuild f-16s, yes it is not in LM’s interest to still promote the f-16 in competition with its own f-35. It must be a strong need from the buyer itself to want it while the line is still there, and to read through all the LM smoke and mirrors to understand that the f-35 is still not yet ready and to have an all f-35 fleet would be more expensive than a hi-lo mix of newbuild F-16 and F-35.

    There is another fundamental difference between the actual “indigenous fighters” and the F-20 and it is in the word itself.
    Tigershark was a tentative from the US to gave to their own third world allies an up-to-date plane but without any of the sensible technologies of their own teen fighters, even with a full transfer of technologies such a thing would have not permitted to these nation to advance their own industrial capabilities in any regard.
    So in the end taking the F-20 would result in a lose/lose situation for them: no cutting edge performances and no technological progress of any sort.
    Even the F-16/79 doesn’t meet any simphaty into potential buyers for the same reason, while instead the original intended prime customer for the F-20, the ROC took a great overall advantage in being permitted to develop its own Ching Kuo with technological transfer from US (and others) in compensation for the cancellation of initial deal.

    Marcellogo
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    And to remind ourselves on why exactly the f-20 didn’t find any takers.

    The F-16.

    I am quite surprised none of the European users of f-16 didn’t see a newbuild f-16 as a partial solution for the replacement their old f-16. What is wrong with a hi-lo mix of new f-16 and smaller numbers of f-35? And the window for a newbuild f-16 is getting smaller by the day.

    This. šŸ™‚

    Is the same reason because the F-20 doesn’t pass at its own times, the introduction of another plane would have crippled the F-16 orders. Also foreign customers would not any plane that wouldn’t be endorsed by the US itself.
    For the rest how would have it performed against latest MiG-23ML versions ( whose production ended in 1984) or even the Mirage 2000 or the IAI Kfir?

    in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 15 #2175823
    Marcellogo
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    Posted this, by mistake, in PAK FA thread.))

    It happen also in the best families, we use to say.

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