Mig-17, of course, it was a fully fledged air combat fighter, an evolution of MiG-15 with capability to go full transonic and with an afterburner on. It, like also Sabre and Hunter was however a full sized fighter plane. Others were way lighter, G-91 was about 3tons empty and Gnat 2 tons and were tough as basically ground attack planes.

I would dare to say nothing per se ClanWarrior: they are experimenting to made an improved version of the Su-57 carrying a “smart skin” i.e. with an embedded self-diagnostic mechanism based on optical fibers , not correcting some defect found of the actual, conventional, wing.

ATM all projects are at a such initial phase that what we may get from the images shown and even from the mock ups are just a very general impression, surely the search for a multiband stealth coverage needed to deal with systems like NEBO-M would influence greatly all those western new gen fighter designs,
The great expertise with true Deltas (not just looking to actual full canard-equipped ones but previous models) would surely help a lot european producers on that regard (and hamper Russia instead).

Thank for clarification Bring on it, however rest assured that my opposition is to speed up acquisition of planes now as requested to some lobbyist for reasons that has little to do with operative need and a lot with corporate greed, IO&T have been posponed so it means that there is probably still something that need to be evaluated, so almost let’s not rush program beyond what was initially planned (and almost in our case even better to slow down it a bit).

Sorry, maybe I have lost the fact that 3F has been certified, we have still to acquire them and IO&T is not even begun.
Still given that the title of Forbes article is “Five Reason US. Air Force Should Acquire”” i just don’t get what Belgium has anything to do with it…
Maybe not replying in Pavlov Dog’s style would help Spud to distinguish one question to another (and maybe note how there were not three my posts but just one + the usual problems with that s….ng new updated software).
In this case i see another usual lobbying article pushing for block buying planes and i’m objecting just to said article without saying anything about Belgium’s or any other orders.
I however think that before 4.2 any mass order (from non US partners above all) would be premature.

[USER=”143″]eagle[/USER] it can surely happen also but is much more probable that such mishaps would happen in the first batches not in later ones, a reason enough to oppose to such early block buy.

And what would happen if in near future a problem similar to the one highlighted by Bloomberg would be discovered after those great orders proposed by Forbes have been made’
Buying more faster means get a plane still not certified to use its onboard gun and that until block 4.2 (available 2023) could carry just 4 AAM in its weapon bays.

And let’s add that both this and the Tempest are actually just mock-ups, nothing to do with real planes at all, so let’s take this as they are, very initial proposal to planes that could and with all probability will end up being something very different from their look.

It is not that those mock up means that these project are anything closer to completion or even more real than american ones and even less to the PAK-DP, just because we have a plastic model.

Yes, that’s because now research are ongoing about Software defined radio i.e. about radio wave emitters able to shift between one band and another not just to change frequency inside a given one, problem is that the hardware necessary to emit a bandwidth won’t change: you can easily emit shorter bandwidth from a large band emitter, the contrary is much more harder.
For a airborne radar, almost always settled on X band in fighter it would lead to problems highlighted by stealthflanker.

Su-57’s L-band emitter could so have a definitive edge on implementing such a technology.
ROFAR i.e. photonic radar would with all probability solve the problem definitely.