Hi Airshow Fan, and welcome to the forum.
I like to take pictures at airshows and would be interested to know a little more about the circumstances of your incident such as your viewing location and what was happening, display wise, when you chose to move and how it was that you were boxed in so we can better understand your complaint. Obviously people go to airshows for very different reasons but there are a large number of people who like to take photos using everything from their mobile phone to multi-body, multi-lens high end cameras. In general I find the enthusiast photographic fraternity very pleasant and considerate but, of course, there are always bad eggs in every group of people. This year we were unable to obtain tickets for the FRIAT enclosure, almost exclusively enthusiast photographers, and instead we were in the Village grandstand. Here, the enthusiast photographer was most certainly in the minority but what dismayed me was that while an actual display was taking place people would come and go whilst , disturbing people in their row and behind, behaviour which would be unacceptable in a cinema when a film was actually showing. To me there seemed to be plenty of grass areas where a family could have a relaxing and entertaining family day out but if, for instance, you wanted a crowd line position then yes there is a frenzy at all airshows to get and hold these positions and not just by photographers.
I am sorry to hear that your wife is in a wheelchair, my only experience of using a wheelchair was when my wife badly broke her ankle and I would certainly agree a large number of people, everywhere, are very inconsiderate but the thought never occurred to me that that made us 2nd class citizens but then we knew our use of a wheelchair was only for a short period. There are, of course, dedicated enclosures for wheelchair users so maybe they are not large enough or there should be more of them.
Please expand on your experience so we can better understand the circumstances that led you to joining the forum to voice your opinion.
Now where was I………..
Today we visited St Mary’s graveyard at Woodford to do a bit of tiding up and, Ed, we found Fred Basset’s grave not far from the other Avro plots, although I think that this is more by luck than design.
Fred Basset was the Avro technician aboard Vulcan XA897 and lost his life when it crashed on landing at Heathrow on 1st October 1956.
As the few get fewer we need to put more effort into remembering them.
Rest now with old comrades and, yes. thank you.
From the Chapel website.
The St George’s Chapel which you see today is not the original chapel. Although there was a station church, the idea to create a more permanent memorial chapel at Biggin Hill emerged in 1943 when RAF personnel thought it would be appropriate to have a memorial to the increasing number of aircrew who were being killed on operations from within the Biggin Hill sector, remembering especially those who had died in the Battle of Britain. Further more, there was a desire to commemorate that victory, and mark the destruction of the 1000th German aircraft by fighters from the Biggin Hill sector, which happened in June 1943. Three prefabricated huts, made with steel angle-iron frames and lined with fibreboard, were acquired and placed together to form a single rectangular unit as a chapel, similar in size and layout to today’s chapel. A commemorative service, unveiling and dedicating the Memorial – the reredos – and the Book of Remembrance, was held on Battle of Britain Sunday 19 September 1943.
As Andy said the original Chapel was destroyed by fire in December 1946 and the new Chapel was built on the same site and to resemble the size and shape of the wartime huts.
The “mission” statement of the BHMM is
“Protecting, gathering and making known the stories of Biggin Hill and communicating its significant role in shaping the modern world”
Here the significant word is “stories”.
The Charitable objects are
1.TO ADVANCE THE EDUCATION OF THE PUBLIC BY MAINTAINING ST GEORGE’S CHAPEL OF REMEMBRANCE, AND ESTABLISHING AND MAINTAINING AN ASSOCIATED MUSEUM EXHIBITING THE STORY OF WORLD WAR 2 AND THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN, AND 2.TO PRESERVE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE NATION, ST GEORGE’S CHAPEL OF REMEMBRANCE, IN MEMORY OF THOSE WHO SERVED IN THE ROYAL AIR FORCE IN WORLD WAR 2 AND FOR HISTORIC INTEREST
The only physical artefact intended to be “preserved” is the Chapel.
That is the object of the Charity and the Lottery grant has been made on that basis.
Take a look at the Trustees to get a better understanding of how the form of the “museum” came about.
My view is that the ship has sailed but perhaps a letter to the Patron Randolph Churchill might help get some physical objects on the airfield brought within the scope of the museum.
We could ask the chairman of the Trustees, Bruce Walker, to respond to this thread and the petition.
To me this project would be better served on the internet where people can browse the history of the personnel that served at BQH. I do not see the educational benefit of visiting a chapel and a new built structure to see information. People are not going to stand and read the sort of information that can be hosted on a website and you visit the Chapel to remember.
The true “experience” of Biggin Hill is a pilgrimage to stand on the same hallowed ground that was trod by heroes. To see the actual watch hut, pens and shelters that were in use at that time. Is it really not possible to do this with all those millions of pounds, and have a website too?
Quote from the Interpretation Plan.
[QUOTE]Tone of Voice
There is a wariness of hearing what feels like an old fashioned, one-sided
story, with the Allies presented as the victors and the other side presented
one-dimensionally or insensitively. There is also, particularly amongst young
people , a reluctance to hear stories
that reduce either side into archetypes – good and bad, heroes and villains.
There is a reluctance not to hear both sides of the story; a feeling that this
would be a whitewashing ,
and international audiences in particular were not interested in hearing stories
that just focussed on the UK .
There is also an appetite for hearing the contemporary consequences of this
important story – ‘why we don’t live in a fascist world’ .
Families consulted were keen for the story not to be too sombre; rather, to
be a celebration
Thanks for the correction, MRM, for some reason I got the impression last year that it was their first visit. Going to see if I can find the drummers on YouTube.
To give you some idea of the problems of heat haze when taking long distance shots at low level across the airfield. The second picture is a crop from the first. Insidently the plane is flying towards the camera.
This Canadian Chinook was held for some time at the runway threshold waiting for it’s slot. For some major part of that time it was held with it’s front wheels off of the ground. I wonder if there is any reason for this?
Regrettably the Hurricane departed from the middle of 09 so we saw nothing.
Fly out day Monday 17th July 2017
RIAT 17 MON 17JUL17
Today, Monday, brings to an end the annual Hercules fly-in!
Monday is departures day and we spent the day in the western PAV. As per normal runway 27 was used for the vast majority of the activity. Some aeroplanes that had been at the western end of the static park did depart on 09, but not all. When using either runway departures are executed to give the best display at mid-runway opposite the FRIAT enclosure.
As mentioned before the only opportunity to see most of the heavies and historic that form the static display is when they fly in or out. We attended the west PAV on all the days it is available Wednesday, Thursday and Monday.
Each day the organisers produce an activity list of all the expected arrivals, departures and displays. At the top of each list it states that all times are “local”, however, it became fairly obvious that the activity better fitted zulu. The strange thing is it continued for all six days uncorrected!
Wednesday was the best day with 10 hours of arrivals and practice, very intensive. Monday from about 0800 zulu to about 1600 zulu can best be described as fast and furious with a continuous stream of aeroplanes of all types, shapes and sizes manoeuvring and departing. This included two U2 departures but sadly, Sabrejet was right, and both the B1 and B52 stayed on the ground.
There will be no pictures of fast jets, only “historic” and heavies of interest.
Not a cross wind but waggling the FRIAT grandstand.
The Wedgetail of the RAAF has a visit to make before returning to Aus.
Following Japan’s first visit last year they attended again this year and brought some “drummers” with them. If you like the drums you should listen to these guys.
We viewed the inside of their plane but unfortunately were unable to communicate very well despite the fact that their English was better than my non existent Japanese.
You will find a lot of them in The Village Enclosure, never again. Out for a picnic and a drink, up and down, in and out and sod anybody trying to watch, video or photograph the display.
Tomorrow, Monday, we will really miss not being in the FRIAT enclosure for the fly-outs. We are intending to go to PAV West and hope 27 is in use and to catch the B52 departing. Another early start!!
Today, Sunday, the flying program gave us the promise of “B-2A x 3”. They had apparently flown from the States to appear at the show and were then going to fly straight back. Sadly, for us anyway, the new cloaking paint that had been applied to two of them proved extremely effective and only one B-2 could be detected by the standard eyeball mark one.
As part of the 70th anniversary celebrations Sally B put in an appearance as did a P51.
Fouga23, the term “undercoat” was used by the commentator, IIRC.
More BBMF
And pausing to provide a photographic backdrop.
The BBMF Display
The BBMF’s display consisted of the Lanc, three Spitfires, 2 Merlins and one Griffon, and the Hurricane. Total silence from the commentators for the whole of the display. TE311 carried an interesting paint scheme.;)