It is not just DX though there are many airfields with main roads passing close to the end of the runway, Biggin Hill, Waddington and Fairford come to mind and which hold displays.
Makes you wonder if PL insurance is more expensive near airfields ie related to risk.
Didn’t see your #124 Charlie but basically agree I think it would be a question of was the householder/landowner aware of the hazard.
Yes Charlie I have also made the same point several times. Of particular concern are landowners who charge of which there are many at RIAT. I understand that the school at DX has insurance.
Insurance companies will go to every length not to pay out. I am sure if you are just walking along the road there might not be a problem, however, at Shoreham people admitted they were having a picnic and watching the airshow so an insurance company may well claim they had contributed to the risk.
As to trespassers I do not think the landowner could be held responsible for a hazard arising from outside his land, although if he is aware of a hazard things may be different, the law is a complicated thing.
Indeed it was Charlie 30th May 1949.
TS 363 first flight 13 Nov 47.
But I had to look it up, you never cease to amaze me.:cool:
Glider pic 7
Thanks for posting
Indeed how much they have raised and give that amount to any viable group who actually does something.
Why did Mr. Rimmer get involved with Tiger in the first place? Ignorance of how credible they are?
Thank you for sharing these beautiful pictures.
Considering your life depended on the engine I was surprised to see people clambering all over it in post #18.
I am sure that is true but we can decide what cone of silence we would think was right for ourselves it is the principle that is important. Mustang51 has had the goodness to explain his thinking and practice which makes admirable sense to me we can adjust that to suit our environment. Maybe “threshold” of silence which I suppose will be the length of the crowd line as a minimum and preferable airfield threshold. Even that would not be adequate for the approaching and rising sound of a Balbo which I find all part of it.
With the anniversary this year we have had some very special displays for example at Biggin Hill, BoB DX and the return of 4 flights to DX following Goodwood. Here mass departures and arrivals and the tail chase dog fights were main features and the sounds that went with them is surely very much part of the 1940’s SE England and attacks on airfields.
Good to hear Charlie, and that is why I haven’t been on as well! I need to post on Manston as I met a guy at BoB DX who seemed to be in the know.
Charlie (I’ve not been on for a bit hope you are well)
bazv is right. If Mustang51 had been commentating as described in his post, then this thread would not exist.
Mustang51 thank you very much for taking the time to make your excellent contribution to this thread.
As I am sure you realise there is a serious side to the thread and as you can see from the comments on your post you would be in high demand by the enthusiasts over here as you clearly understand the needs of the enthusiast and the general public.
I think the enthusiasts understand the changing nature of airshows as the immediate post war generation slowly move on to the farm but this should be better thought out by the organisers than a carpet fun fair approach.
This thread would not have started if you had been commenting, it was the fact that at the premiere warbirds airshow in the UK the commentary was continuous over everything and much was rambling memories which may be of interest but not actually during the display.
Your “cone of silence” approach shows a total understanding of what many people are there for, it is the organisers that should be laying down these sort of rules and providing music free enclosures or areas where only the commentary can be heard or even nothing at all bar public information messages.
Whilst airshows do need to attract new people and provide the sort of entertainment that they want it should also be remembered that it is these people who do not turn up if the weather forecast is not looking good or there is another event in the area. Whereas the hardcore enthusiast will turn up.
So the answer is simple really the organisers should look for best practice around the world, introduce a required “cone of silence” whoever is commentating, (that would make a good name for a book:D) provide “enthusiast” areas with suitable commentary only or silence, and provide the pop culture on the fun fair side of the show. Surely this would not be too expensive to do.
Thank you again for your valuable contribution it is much appreciated by us all, and when are you coming over? 😀
Yes the P38 is a significant aircraft, however, this specific example has no added value as it has no history attached.
Is the consensus that cost of recovery and preservation are high but that some sort of recovery should be attempted?
Thus when next exposed dig to break suction and then drag or lift out up the beach above high tide line and if it breaks it breaks. Disassemble on beach and transport to Cosford to use the now empty tent. In this way only basic equipment is needed which could possibly be provided by sponsorship. There must be many steam and military vehicle enthusiasts with low loaders who might be prepared to help with transportation. Then the good will of Cosford and a fund raising exercise to pay for their costs.
A project coordinator with an established reputation will be needed. Ideally this would be an air museum.
True we may end up with bits but is that better than nothing especially as the funding for a better extraction is very unlikely to be forthcoming.
Gwynedd Council will need to be on board and therefore some form of Welsh connection will be needed both before, during and after recovery.
Find a coordinator.
Approach likely sponsors who have appropriate equipment.
Approach likely steam/military vehicle enthusiasts about transportation.
Approach air museums for advice on transportation.
Approach Cosford to see if they are willing.
Produce a report of viability and outcome of project.
Approach Gwynedd Council for their agreement.
Apply to MOD for authority to recover.
Surely there are many people on here who would have contacts with some of the above organisations who could provide introductions.