Unsurprisingly there are more
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-23813190
Was this not highly predictable?
Many thanks David. As I suspected, as presumably there are many of the seats in service and have been for some time. Perhaps an unfortunate term to use although it is difficult to imagine that a QC was not aware of the implications. Presumably the MOD report is not public?
You mean the year before!
Many thanks Bomberboy, time does fly.
Think first, post second, I think applies here!!
Many thanks for these detailed updates and photos they are interesting and much appreciated. Following WR963’s progress with interest.
While we froth and rant some further reading on what was an incredible feat in many different ways. This includes a transcript of Flight Sub Lt Warneford’s report.
http://www.militarian.com/threads/flight-sub-lt-reginald-alexander-john-warneford-vc.6755/
Er and how the New York Times reported it!
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9E03EED9153DEF3ABC4053DFB066838E609EDE
Sadly I have never been involved in aviation in any way so that firmly puts me in the “armchair”. I do have a keen interest in our (UK) engineering heritage in all its forms and I come to this forum to learn from members who do know about such things and who freely pass on their knowledge. Having no experience in aviation, restorations or museums does not mean that one cannot have opinions on some subjects as long as they are well reasoned and constructively add to the thread or are even suitably humorous. Surely when there is a debate between parties with differing views the object is to put forward a reasoned case in order to come to an agreed decision and this is achieved by convincing the undecided or uninformed that they have the best solution until you have the majority view.
As far as I am aware there are only two examples of aircraft built using Geodetic construction and only one where this construction can be clearly seen. In view of the significance of this design and of the designer I would have thought there was a very strong case for leaving R Robert unclothed. Further Mark Pilkington has very kindly posted much about Mikesh’s book in relation to static museum restorations together with his views on the “RAFM Wellington” thread, posts #77 & #86, and and I would find his conclusions hard to disagree with. I have certainly learnt a lot.
Thank you very much Mark for such a comprehensive reply, it is much appreciated, learnt a lot.
Regards Paul
Thank you Mark for your excellent post.
The Wellington clearly fits into Cat III however, could it not also fit into Cat II because of its geotetic construction? Whilst it was not the first aircraft to use this construction would I be correct in thinking it is the only examples we have left? Of course. the Brooklands machine covers this aspect perfectly and possibly this is a good argument as to why it should stay uncovered. If not too much of an imposition perhaps you would outline what is “under” category II in the book. it would certainly be of great interest to me and very pertinent to N2980, R Robert and the debate regarding cover or not to cover.
Regards Paul
Why is training viewed with such distain?
“The Cinderella of the Services”
A thought – everyone has to undergo training, without training you don’t get to become a fighter pilot, a member of a bomber crew, a rigger etc.; why not commemorate this aspect of service life?
I don’t think that anybody is suggesting that training or any other form of none operational service should not be commemorated, just what is most appropriate for the only complete surviving example. Surely then decisions have to be made as to what was the most important role this aeroplane played.
To me the question of how aircraft should be displayed depends very much on the story the museum is trying to tell, but also related to how many other survivors of the type exist.
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Sure, if you had ten surviving Wellingtons I’d say paint one as a trainer, but at the end of the day a major aim of a museum should be to tell a story with its artefacts, and leave the viewer with a better understanding of history. Leave it as it is.
Thank you for a well reasoned argument, I think you have hit the nail right on the head.
That said many lost their lives in flying accidents in all parts of the service and they should have our respect and be honoured as well, trouble is just two few Wellingtons.
Nooo!
The ‘see-through’ restoration is brilliant, shows the visitor far more of the aircraft, its construction and accommodation, than ever a fully covered one would
Moggy
Very much agree this gives a brilliant insight into what is otherwise impossible to see, the complex engineering that goes into these incredible machines. The “uncovered” PBY at the National Navel Museum, from the pictures, gives an otherwise unobtainable view of what it was like inside these larger aircraft. The Brooklands Wellington is fascinating and has its place. As does a visit to the inside of the Lancaster at Brooklands and the cockpit of the Vulcan and Argosy at MAM.
Like many of us here, I am sure, I am really fascinated by “Then and Now” pictures often using Street level to some effect! Your pictures, presentation and descriptions are truly superb and are very much enjoyed. Thank you for taking the considerable trouble of producing this thread it is much appreciated. I do hope there is more to come!
Paul
Low, fast over water
Very many thanks for posting and sharing, brings a lump to the throat.
I think you mean Cosford
Oh dear, yes thank you 556 I did, of course. Took us half an hour queueing for station entrance from 08:00 to get in and left at 20:00 from south exit with little problem. Pity poor train travellers in evening, many trains cancelled due to drunk on track.
Excellent day and weather with many fine displays. Yes “graceful” sums it up nicely. I think the crowd was probably at capacity and we were under no illusion that it would be quick to get out so why rush to leave when there is so much else to see especially the likes of Sally B which surely also deserves public support.
In relation to this tread, or rather the “discussion” going on on this thread, it would seem clear that many people had come specifically to see the Vulcan and as far as they were concerned the “show” was over. Although to be fair it was a Sunday and her display was at 16:00 so maybe needs must. It is dangerous to generalise it was just very noticeable.