Anza_02It is my knowledge that they pitted the m2k against the then offering of the Sukhoi which was the basic version (K or whatever designation it was) However the MKI is a whole another ball game and didnt even exist as an entity to have specifications for comparison. The radar,avionics,performance,Load,Radius of Action and other capabilities are totally different between the 2 varients And we dont need a Classified breefing to make that out !!!!
With the high rate of engine failure of the indian sukhoi mkis please donot insult the m2k by mentioning it in the same breadth.
Indians willnot be able to keep a lid on this for ever as the matter has been raised in indian parliament many times now, indian defence minister for reasons of security ( more like out of shame ) has not given an answer to this in the open debating chamber thus far.
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well read below and make your own conclusions:
NEW DELHI, MAY 19 (PTI)
Licensed production of multi-role Sukhoi-30MKI fighters in the country is running into huge costs overruns and some of them in the latest batch are flying without some advanced critical airborne systems.
To add to this, the indigenous manufacture of the Russian frontline fighters is working out to more than the cost of imports, according to the latest report of the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) placed in Parliament today.
Three critical airborne systems of the fighters– electronic warfare system, reconissance system and direction finding modular radar have not not been integrated with the latest batch of aircraft delivered by the Russians under the November 1996 contract, the report said.
“There has been sharp slippage in delivery schedules and the fighters delivered had custmization only partly “, the CAG has pointed out.
Rapping the Government for huge cost esclation risks in the project, the CAG said the total cost of 140 aircraft projected by the Ministry in 2000 was Rs 22,122.78 crores at the 2000 price level, while a detailed project report prepared by HAL in july 2005, the amount shown was Rs 39,224.9 crores, almost a hundred price rise.
“Even this is open ended as the 2.5 per cent cost esclation agreed to by India is applicable only till 2007”, the report said.
Oh my the troll tries to pass off some more nonsense
First the report is dated- why? Because CAG reports from the last fiscal year and so their reports are usually 1-1.5 years out of date!
Lets take a look at those particular items shall we?
” electronic warfare system,”
This has been inducted, see the ELta 8222 SPJ on new Sukhoi MK3s and older ones as well
“reconissance system “
The Litening has been integrated already, see Kalams flight pictures for a Sukhoi with a Litening and IFR pod, he even used the Litening for A2G designation
“direction finding modular radar”
Thats the HADF, already displayed a year back- at Aeroindia and which SUPPLEMENTS the RWR for SEAD
Its also been certified- there is a CEMILAC/DRDO board mentioning it
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In short dont blabber what you dont know about, but then that hasnt stopped you on this thread! :rolleyes:
Blah blah blah
If you werent such an imbecile you would realise that the three systems are UNIQUE TO IAF SUKhois-
litening.
HADF
ELta jammersThere were no other Sukhois with any of the above :rolleyes:
Lastly, the Sukhoi MKI program is a constant work in progress with constant improvements in blocks- something which you cant understand, and then yack around like you discovered anything big :rolleyes:The Indian content in the MKI will also increase as the program picks up pace
Wake us all Up from a long and refreshing sleep when you come up with ONE major component for the JF-17 designed by Pakistan apart from green paint :rolleyes:
Another way of saying Pakistan is incapable of making anything on its own so it just imports, begs, borrows, asks for aid..
But even after freebies and charity…
But even then you are whinging on the forum
Btw bye bye troll!
i see De-nial isn’t only a river that runs in egypt. where are your sources for the claims your making. The truth is india has handed the sukhoi company the hogde-podge indian techs at HAL put together recently and gotten about 18 sukhois built in russia. In future sukhois people will send nearly assembled sukhois. The indian goverment has also been trying to cover up another scandal relating to the indian sukhois mkis — the much much higher engine failures ( which no sukhoi user other than india is suffering from )–in order to keep this embarressment from surfacing indian sukhoi fleet is grounded most of the time. You didnot know this??? did the indian air marshal not give you a personal classified breifing? then let me suggest you tune into rajya sabha ( indian parliament ) proceedings where the matter has been brought up several times.
PS i standby :
only the indians can manage to goof up a perfectly working system that is the sukhoi—-by the way china which also bought the sukhois around the same time have around 150 already flying sukhois ( as oppose to 30 or so indian ) and are producing under license for their navy. As an indian it might hurt your ego to accept the fact that indian input into the sukhois lowers the standard of renouned stellar flying machine—IAF is coming around to accepting this fact and the sukhoi makers want to protect their reputation by getting the indian government to once and for all cut out the HAL or reduce its input to negligible—-since the sukhoi people donot want sukhois dropping out of the sky like dead cats or shall i say indian migs.
Anza_02If you haven’t noticed – ANZA is complaining – not a lot of Pakistanis are, and the Pakistani gov’t isn’t. At least differentiate between a forum jocky and a real government official – genius. BTW, maybe you should tell the Indian caucus to stop complaining about the F-16 deal if these aircraft will not make a difference; and maybe Israel should stop using its air force against terrorists – since one does not need them, apparently.
I am not complaining—to keep the record str8—-i am lamenting—–lamenting treachery by a very long time ally.
If you say not alot of pakistanis are complaining ( or lamenting ) the reason for this is that they are unware of the full facts surrounding the new f16s deal. Any patriotic pakistanis blood will boil if they are told that the brand new f16 they are buying at full cost comes with the string that to use it against india, pakistan would need America’s permission. I have read the pakistani press and strangely this piece of information regarding the deal is missing—though the american senate house relations committe was told this.
Your are right on the fact that i am not related to the Pak government in any way and wrong on forum jockey—i have only contributed to this place (or any other forum )when i started the last thread ( which was about a week ago or 10 days ).
Anza_02The Mirage 2k5 was never a match for Su-30 MKi, nor is the F-16 blk 50/52. F-16 MLU are better than the Mig-21 bison in WVR. In BVR as the excercise with RSAf showed bison can take the viper out. Of course having mig-29 and mirage -2k also helps.
russian built sukhois are a perfect flying machine -but when it comes to indian built Su-30 MKi i would put my money on PAFs f7s , why trouble the f16s.
Long live the indian habit/disease “i can make it at home for nothing”.
Anza_02Gee, I doubt the Pakistani assembled JF-17s will be more than donkey-carts flown by flying piggies with magic wands. That made as much sense as your comment, perhaps even more so.
If the average Pakistani planner in the AF is as “logical” as you, and filled with such ridiculous bombast, given your comments which are singularly devoid of intelligence, then Pakistan has a lot of problems on its hands. :rolleyes:
i see i touched a raw nerve there.
go read the Audit general report on indians building the sukhois ie the mki’s i was being generous in assuming the indians i.e HAL will sometime in the future put together fully functioning mki—which they have singularly failed to do thus far after 8 years (all they have to do is read instruction manuals and assemble).
I am thinking of writing to Musharaf to award HAL and DRDO for their services to the PAF and national security of Pakistan in general. Long live the indian technicians in the indian research labs—- the bestest friends Pakistan can have on this earth –after the chinese ofcourse.
Anza_02I hope that the mighty PAF also thinks thataway and send Chinese/pakistani built jets to counter the Indian made third rate Sukhois :rolleyes:
ur point has a lot of validity :rolleyes:
well read below and make your own conclusions:
NEW DELHI, MAY 19 (PTI)
Licensed production of multi-role Sukhoi-30MKI fighters in the country is running into huge costs overruns and some of them in the latest batch are flying without some advanced critical airborne systems.
To add to this, the indigenous manufacture of the Russian frontline fighters is working out to more than the cost of imports, according to the latest report of the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) placed in Parliament today.
Three critical airborne systems of the fighters– electronic warfare system, reconissance system and direction finding modular radar have not not been integrated with the latest batch of aircraft delivered by the Russians under the November 1996 contract, the report said.
“There has been sharp slippage in delivery schedules and the fighters delivered had custmization only partly “, the CAG has pointed out.
Rapping the Government for huge cost esclation risks in the project, the CAG said the total cost of 140 aircraft projected by the Ministry in 2000 was Rs 22,122.78 crores at the 2000 price level, while a detailed project report prepared by HAL in july 2005, the amount shown was Rs 39,224.9 crores, almost a hundred price rise.
“Even this is open ended as the 2.5 per cent cost esclation agreed to by India is applicable only till 2007”, the report said.
only the indians can manage to goof up a perfectly working system that is the sukhoi—-by the way china which also bought the sukhois around the same time have around 150 already flying sukhois ( as oppose to 30 or so indian ) and are producing under license for their navy. As an indian it might hurt your ego to accept the fact that indian input into the sukhois lowers the standard of renouned stellar flying machine—IAF is coming around to accepting this fact and the sukhoi makers want to protect their reputation by getting the indian government to once and for all cut out the HAL or reduce its input to negligible—-since the sukhoi people donot want sukhois dropping out of the sky like dead cats or shall i say indian migs.
As far as your carp about paf goes—my friend despite all my lamentations against the americans i have never suggested pakistan make the f16s at home or attempt to duplicate it. Pakistan has brought matured technologies from america,france,china etc, jf17 is being perfected in china too —-pakistanis donot suffer from the indian disease of “i can make it at home for nothing”
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