As for Jetstream G-AXUN, the following is a picture of it at Cranfield on 8 September 1973, looking exactly as it did when you photographed it two years earlier, still in “dirty yellow primer”…
G-AXUN became G-BCWW on 29/7/74, when bought by the Distillers Co Ltd – the famous makers of scotch whisky (hence the call sign “Whisky Whisky!) See here: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/HistoricalMaterial/G-BCWW.pdf
It then became G-CTRX on 19/4/84 when sold to Centrax Ltd see here: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/HistoricalMaterial/G-CTRX.pdf. UK registration cancelled 25/9/95
XW938: Piper Twin Comanche 160 (c/no.30-439) Built 1964. Ex N7385Y, ex G-ATMT, registration cancelled 20-1-71 as “to military marks”. d/d 19/07/1971, returned to G-ATMT 22/5/75 and believed still currently registered, based at Turweston, Buckinghamshire
Source G-INFO (CAA online database) at http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/HistoricalMaterial/G-ATMT-1.pdf – and this is what she looks like now (well, July 10 2011 to be exact):
It would be interesting to know exactly WHY a Piper Twin Commanche needed to be in military makings for four years (1971-75)…
seen on ebay
Jet Provost Mk 3 Aircraft Cockpit
Refreshing to see a seller with the confidence in their item to start it at 99p – whatever this makes will be down to the market – looks like a nice project for someone.
Plus, it looks very much like a shrewd move: by starting the bidding very low (£0.99!) this item attracted attention, indeed, it looks as though a “bidding war” has broken out. Last time I looked, with 2 hours to the auction closing, there were 20 bids, and the bidding was up to £1,070.00
IMO, if the vendor had started the opening bidding higher, say £1,000, there may have been fewer, if any, bids.
Some buyers, once they’ve committed themselves, get a into a competative “frenzy” and will keep bidding, because they feel that they HAVE to outbid the other potential buyers. There is that need to win at an auction, and beat the other bidders…
Tuning into the previous posts about prices: when all is said and done, the price of an item – be it an aircraft component or a tin of beans – is based on a trade off between what the vendor wants to sell it at, and what the buyer wants to pay for it.
If you don’t like the price, you don’t have to buy it. That’s capitalism for you!
Spadeadam Decoys
Getting back on topic, THIS website may be of help re the Belgian T-33s, http://belmilac.wetpaint.com/page/Part+1%3A+FT01+-+FT20
FT-01 T-33A ex Belgium Airforce – to Prestwick 05/11/79 to Spadeadam 13/03/80 last noted 06/2002
FT-02 T-33A ex Belgium Airforce – to Prestwick 05/11/79 to Spadeadam 10/03/80 last noted 06/2002
FT-06 T-33A ex Belgium Airforce – to Prestwick 05/11/79 to Spadeadam 19/03/80 last noted 06/2002 RAF Spadeadam , Electronic Warfare Tactics Range, Spadeadam Forest as ’70’ (inventory number SPA117-4)
FT-07 T-33A ex Belgium Airforce – to Prestwick 12/11/79 to Spadeadam 28/02/80 last noted 06/2002
FT-10 T-33A ex Belgium Airforce – to Prestwick 12/11/79 to Spadeadam 07/03/80 last noted 06/2002 RAF Spadeadam , Electronic Warfare Tactics Range, Spadeadam Forest (inventory number SPA117-4)
FT-11 T-33A ex Belgium Airforce – to Prestwick 05/11/79 to Spadeadam 14/03/80 last noted 06/2002 RAF Spadeadam , Electronic Warfare Tactics Range, Spadeadam Forest (inventory number SPA117-8)
FT-29 T-33A ex Belgium Airforce – to Prestwick 12/11/79 to Spadeadam 18/03/80: in 04/2010 reported scrapped at Spadeadam, parts with ‘FT-29’ still visible were discovered in a waste skip
Note that the above “last noted dates” of June 2002 do not mean that the aircraft are no longer at Spadeadam. The ranges are vast, and it is easy to hide aircraft in them or move them around from range to range. However, the remoteness of the ranges, plus the fact that they don’t exactly encourage casual visitors, mean the updated reports are scarce…
As stated earlier, two have definitely been scrapped, but only one (FT-29) has been definitely identified. Circumstantial evidence points to one or more of the following: FT-01, FT-02 and FT-07 as having been scrapped since mid-2002. This ties in with the pics on the official website, which must be of the others (FT-06, FT-10 and FT-11)
Spadeadam Decoys
You presumably mean THIS
and
Main problem – the pictures are dated 20 July 1989: I suspect that you are looking for pictures that are more recent. To the best of my (limited) knowledge at least two of the Belgian T-33s were scrapped in the late 1990s/early 2000s (certainly before 2005). Problem is, the markings/serials have become either faded/weathered over the years or deliberately obscured, or the aircraft photographed at an angle where the serials are not visible. So, it is hard to tell what is still there and what has gone or been scrapped.
Have you had a look at http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=spadeadam&f=hp which turns up 1,555 results. Main problem is that most of the pictures are of the now derelict Blue Streak rocket launcher facilities, and not of aircraft
However, the official picture gallery at http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafspadeadam/gallery/targetsanddecoys.cfm may be worth a look
Going a little deeper, this link http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafspadeadam/gallery/targetsanddecoys.cfm?start=1&viewmedia=12#pageContent confirms that at least two ex-Belgian T-33s were parked out on the ranges on 26 January 2007
Plus http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafspadeadam/gallery/targetsanddecoys.cfm?start=13&viewmedia=21#pageContent shows one Belgian T-33 on 30 October 2007 looking “the worse for wear” after some near misses/being shot up/standing out in the Cumbrian countryside for 20 years…
More pictures to look at can be found here: http://www.visitcumbria.com/car/gilsland-spadeadam.htm which is part of the Cumbria Tourists Board site(!).
An earlier (2010) thread discussing Spadeadam can be found here http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=102227 and to qoute from that: “There’s the ex-Luftwaffe Su-22M4 98+10 at Prior Lancy (where the engine test area is) and a few T-33As and Mysteres at ‘Collinski’, Wiley Sike and the mock runway.
And of course the Mil Mi-24. They’ve painted over the original colourscheme and markings – better not to ask what markings it wore originally…but if you do ask and they do tell you, I’d be interested in knowing!!
And the various AFV and SAM vehicles and vehicle mock-ups”
Does THIS help? http://www.lpgestore.com/english-electric-lightnings.asp?prdid=104
and http://www.aviation-picture-hangar.co.uk/xr749qm.html shows her in slightly plainer colours in the days when XR749 was ‘Q’ of 5 Squadron
But you specifically wanted this http://www.aviation-picture-hangar.co.uk/xr749.html
Ken
There’s a prop taken off the former BoB MF support aircraft (DH Devon VP981) up for sale on ebay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ex-BBMF-de-Havilland-DH-Dove-Devon-Aircraft-3-Blade-Prop-Propeller-WITH-Spinner-/130582763090?pt=UK_CPV_Aviation_SM&hash=item1e6756d652#ht_1971wt_838
Trouble is, from your point of view, that the vendor wants £3,000 for it – don’t know if your pockets are that deep! (Vendor is located in Selby, North Yorkshire)
Even if you don’t fancy buying it, might be worth contacting the vendor to ask if you can get “up close and personal” and view the prop, taking along your tape measure…
Andy,
I see that the Daily Mail has picked up the story again (albeit somewhat belatedly*) see: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135497/Brother-84-attends-funeral-dashing-WWII-Spitfire-pilot-body-hidden-70-years.html – and you are specifically name checked in the article!
(*PUBLISHED: 12:07, 26 April 2012 | UPDATED: 16:31, 26 April 2012)
seen on ebay
JP Mk3 Cockpit
Item Number 190670860770
It’s the mortal remains of JP T.3 XN137
XN137 T3
15/08/1960 Awaiting Collection
18/08/1960 Delivered to No.27 MU Shawbury
28/09/1960 1 FTS Linton-on-Ouse but re-allocated to CFS same day coded R-S
25/01/1962 CAT 3R damage
15/02/1962 Repaired, returned to CFS Little Rissington coded R-S, re-coded 77
10/09/1963 3 FTS Leeming coded 24
02/08/1969 No.27 MU Shawbury for storage
14/01/1972 No.5 MU Kemble for further storage
19/01/1976 Declared non-effective
28/05/1976 S.o.c as CAT 5(S) and reduced to a cockpit section and transported to No.71 MU Bicester
(Unrecorded date) Preserved Camberley, Surrey as ‘XN493’
2010 To Bruntingthorpe, Leicestershire
2010 To Dave Taylor’s Cockpitmania, South Molton, Devon
11/2011 To Little Addington, Northamptonshire for conversion to a simulator
source: http://www.jetprovostfile.org/t3-xn117-xn137/ and http://thecockpitmania.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/jet-provost-t3-xn137.html
Also http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=111179 and http://www.flickr.com/photos/65704764@N04/6419696299/
One suggestion re the Hunter wreckage: presuming that a) it is a Hawker Hunter, and b) the photograph was taken at Chivenor, then it could be Hawker Hunter F.6 XF451
XF451 overshot during an emergency landing at Chivenor, Devon on 12/6/1962 following a fire warning. Pilot uninjured. Wreckage allocated to Chivenor fire dump.
(You may have noticed that there appears to be an oil drum in the background, which strongly suggests that the wreckage was used for fire practice and burnt)
Need help identifying several old aircraft photos
The Twin Pioneer could be the example that ended its days at RAF Andover for fire practice.
IF that is the case then the Twin Pin would be XL968 (c/no.520) which was dumped at Andover on 30/10/1967
However, this link http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1147061/ shows XL968 on the dump at Andover on 22/5/1968 (about 7 months after it was SOC/dumped) still looking reasonably intact.
Not saying that the aircraft in the photo is – or is not – XL968, but, if it is, then, judging from the state of it, the photo would have to have been taken well after June 1968…
But you are correct in one way: it definitely looks like the mortal remains of a Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer. The only question is, which one?
Bulldogs for sale
BAe tried to buy the Jaguars from Nigeria in the early 1990s when they were still in reasonable condition. The aircraft on the tender have been for sale for a while -Nigeria I guess comes within the list of places deemed as ‘dangerous’!
“The final export success for the Jaguar was to Nigeria, which placed an order for eighteen aircraft (plus 18 options) in June 1983. Deliveries of the thirteen single-seaters and five two-seaters began in early 1984 to the sole Nigerian Jaguar operating base at Makurdi. Despite a military coup in Nigeria in December 1983, Jaguar deliveries continued and were completed in 1985.
The Nigerian Jaguars had the LRMTS nose, overwing rails for Sidewinders, and Adour Mk811-58 engines.
Four aircraft (three single-seaters and one two-seater) are known to have been written off:
NAF714 on July 14th 1985 in west Nigeria;
NAF702 on April 26th 1985 at Ikereku;
NAF7… on March 29th 1989 at Makurdi;
NAF7… in April 1989.
The last flight of a NAF Jaguar occurred in early 1990. Despite the small number of hours clocked up by these aircraft, they were left to rot at Makurdi. Attempts by BAe to recover the aircraft and refurbish them came to nothing”
http://www.targetlock.org.uk/jaguar/service_nigeria.html and http://www.targetlock.org.uk/jaguar/production_nigeria.html
If I recall correctly, there was serious interest from Oman in BAe refurbishing and acquiring these “nearly new” Nigerian Jags, which was defeated by a combination of Nigerian beaurocracy and corruption. Apparently, as alluded to above, it was due to the issue of who owned these airframes, and who had the authority to sell them on…
..it’s also worth nothing that the documentation attached to the twin-tub Jag states a total airframe time of 150 hours. Which probably confirms that this airframe has not seen any daylight under its wheels for some 20 years!
Does this help?
Although this picture shows the undersides better: http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisbk196/2428488919/
K9831 does seem much more likely:
“C/no.45. First Flown 20-12-38 To 41 Squadron 30-12-38; wheels up landing Catterick 30-1-39, to 1362M at 1 SoTT Halton 22-3-39 SOC 17-8-39 Total Flying Hours: 19.30”
(adapted from http://www.spitfires.ukf.net/p001.htm)
Does the above help to put an approximate date on the photo?
Auster G-ASOM for sale at £15,000 – with a free airfield thrown in!